Messages In This Digest (11 Messages)
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- Re: we should know how a Capital is built From: jp_dabral@indiatimes.com
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- Re: we should know how a Capital is built From: sukhbant singh
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- Required office cordinator / Office assistant From: subodh dangwal
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- Fw: Uttarakhand Groups like PG Group on Internet can work as the vir From: ram prasad
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- Urgent Requirement: Injection Moulding experience From: karan ...
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- Re: Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40 schools) From: reena singh
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- Re: Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40 schools) From: Rawat Hema
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- Re: Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40 schools) From: jagat bist
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- Re: Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40 schools) From: jagat bist
- 6a.
- PG Group: Get-together From: Subhash Pokhriyal
- 7a.
- Re: PG Group Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40 From: Harish Gouniyal
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Re: we should know how a Capital is built
Posted by: "jp_dabral@indiatimes.com" jp_dabral@indiatimes.com
Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:39 pm (PDT)
Thanks Vijay for your valuable contribution. Just like to add that the examples of Islamabad and Washingfton DC should not be taken as model for the hills. Islamabad has a twin city which is much bigger, Rawalpindi. In Islamabad you only have government offices. Washington too is only a few government buildings. Indian cities are much more cohesive - education, business, industry, services, recreational, sports and employment opportunities are a must for our type of living. Transportation in Washington is very different than what we have in India. Population pressure there is very different there than we have in India, The rural-urban dynamics is very different there as compared to our land. The minute there is a capital designated for Uttarakhand, there would be a frenzy in buying land. Our mindsets are different than the American. Their security levels are much more than ours. They have many other opportunities and alternatives. Moreover, they re not as emotionally attached to land as we Indians are. Shimla today wold be having a population of 5 lakhs. But it is a very congested city. Had there been availablity then many more people would have resided there. Moreover the Kalka Shimla highway has seen a very high population growth in the last twenty years. Factor that too. That would make it 10 lakhs. Probably 50 lakhs was a guestimate that is high. I would like to revise it to atleast 25 lakhs population.
Coming to water. This is normally planned in two ways. The planning commission considers that 40 ltrs per day is the water right of people in rural India. In cities it is 80 ltrs. per person per day. Apart from this there is livelihood and sanitation needs. Let us plan for another 100 ltrs. YOur point of recycled water is well taken. But Indian mindset is different. Have you ever RO-ed your bathroom water and made it potable. Technically it is possible but in most houses it is not acceptable. Awareness is very low here. Moreover the technologies and lifestyles of today and the years to come would require more water and its related problems. Car washing, washing machines, water purifiers, fancy bathroom fittings are going to increase the requirement of water to a great extent. Minimalistic planning is for the bygone era. It happened in the 50s and 60s. Todays planning has to be futuristic. We no more live in s demand based economy. Supply based economics is more prevalent today. And it is there to stay.
City waste of 2 kg per person per day is acceptable. But more important is the disposal system which is very limited in the hills. The leaching and underground movement of moisture is very widespread as compared to the plains. The larger problem would be sewage disposal. That would be the real challenge for the new capital.
I had read about Teesta river in the Economic Times. I hope some day I am able to get you the reference. Incidently AHEC Rorrkee is doing a study for Ganga river. But that institute is a pro-dam institute. Their findings are not going to be the ideal one. Their findings will suit the dam authorities. The study is being sponsored by MoEF.
But I am with you that New Tehri type planning is not what we should ideally have for a state capital. That too is 50 and 60s technology. Lavasa model near Pune would be a more likely planning model I would appreciate. I do not know what it would eventually become because town managers can succumb to influences and local factors.
It is interesting to see that enlightened persons like you have a keen interest on how the capital should be made and where it should be made. With your inputs to the political leadership of the state I hope they come up with a good solution. REgardsJP Dabral
----- Original Message -----
From: Vijay Barthwal
To: PauriGarhwal@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:01:44 +0530 (IST)
Subject: Re: [PGGroup] we should know how a Capital is built
Dear Dabral ji,
Nice thought provoking note. May I request you to kindly review the following facts.
please see the attached link and see worldwide how many capital cities have population exceeding 10 lacs (forget 50 lacs)? In fact planned capital cities like Islamabad and Washington DC has population figure of 8 lacs.
http://www.citymayors.com/features/ capitals. html
The waste generation figure for Highly developed ( and high waste generating countries , given in the link given below) is 500 kg/person/ year i.e 1.5 kg/person/year, we can plan for lower side. In fact waste disposal needs different planning methodology and planned city is always better equipped for the same.
http://www.nationmaster.com/ graph/env_ mun_was_gen- environment- municipal- waste-generation
What is per person water requirement? 27 to 200 ltrs/day (check link below) and where this water will go? sewage and underground recharge. In a planned city water recycling is basic requirement. We therefore need very limited makeup water and potable quality water.
http://info.k4health. org/pr/m14/ m14chap2_ 2.shtml
Regarding carrying capacity of rivers, HP has decided 10% (or is it 15%) continuous water flow during lean season also, therefore only 15% reduction in power generation should suffice. In this regard Sikkim reducing planned 6000 MW to 1000 MW is not understood. Can you please enlighten which plants are scrapped? In my knowledge none of the planned power projects are scrapped on river Teesta.
You may like to review your write up based on these facts and suggest an out of box solution.
(New Tehri type planned city is certainly not the answer!!!!! )
Vijay
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:31 PM, <jp_dabral@indiatimes.com > wrote:
What is logical is that we should know how a Capital is built. Firstly, it should be planned for a population of 50 lakhs. Anything less will result to a infrastructure collapse especially in the mountains where there is limited scope to expand. I hope we learn from the example of Shimla - congested and cramped. Next Water - If we take a daily consumption of 500 liters of water per person per day which is very conservative compared to what major cities in the world plan, it would mean that we require 2500000000 liters of water per day. Where would the water come from? Drainage, sewage disposal and waste disposal- 80 % of the water requirement goes as sewage.Where will this huge effluent treatment plant be located and what will happen to the disposal mechanism. Solid waste will be about 2 kg.per day per head i.e 100 lakh kgs. everyday.. The actual waste figure might be much higher. Every capital today should have an airport which should be able to accommodate atleast 737 Boeing and equivalent planes. Ideally it should be 747s. Ideally there should be a railway too for cheap transport. Many other provisions for planners can be done but the cost is going to be phenomenal. No emotional response is sustainable. Wherever the capital will be it should be planned keeping the futuristic technologies in mind. Technologies of the 60s and 70s is obsolete. Therefore people who have limited exposure of town planning should not unnecessarily thrust emotional ideas. Make Gairsain the capital only if the infrastructure permits.
Another example of lack of planning skills in Uttarakhand is the hydro electric projects. The government was planning dams without wasting even an inch of the rivers length. Such faulty planning is regretable.
River planning is done only after ascertaining the cumulative carrying capacity of the river. In Teesta River 6000 MW power projects were planned but when the carrying capacity of the river was done it was found that only 1000 MW is sustainable. Similar studies should be done in Uttarakhand. Only then should be the dams be allowed to be constructed. I am giving these examples so that lay and emotional comments should not let scientific planning be overwhelmed. My objective to write this mail is only to educate people in the forum in their response to the 'Capital' issue. I want them to think out of the box so that we have a sustainable Capital of which we are proud. Otherwise in a few years we will be facing problems without solutions. That would make us a joke in everyones eyes. Let us avoid that.
RegardsJP Dabral
----- Original Message -----
From: sukhbant singh
To: Extreme Uttranchal , paurigarhwal@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 20:55:43 +0530 (IST)
Subject: Re: [PGGroup] Gairsain Distance from Various Districts of Uttarakhand
Dear Mr. Sharma,
What kind of development you are talking about?
What is new in the separate State that was not in UP except new Vidhan Sabha and Mantrimandal.
Why people sacrificed their life for a new State.
Do you have any answer to these questions. Don' know why public forgets so easily all these things.
Regards,
Sukhbant
--- On Wed, 6/4/11, anuj sharma <decentanu2000@yahoo.com > wrote:
From: anuj sharma <decentanu2000@yahoo.com >
Subject: (e-U)速 Re: (e-U)速 Re: [PGGroup] Gairsain Distance from Various Districts of Uttarakhand
To: Extreme_Uttranchal@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 6 April, 2011, 5:31 PM
Distance from various districts is no criteria for deciding the capital. if we apply this criteria then capital of india should be somewhere in madhya predesh instead of delhi. we should concentrate on how our state can progress and developed rather than thinking about where should be the capital and what should be its name(uttarakhand/uttaranchal) . Let the politicians and bureaucrats decide from where they can do good administration. we all should put our best for progress of this beautiful state and stay away from aimless politics of location of capital.
regards
anuj sharma
--- On Wed, 4/6/11, chunni lal shah <chunnilalshah505@gmail.com > wrote:
From: chunni lal shah <chunnilalshah505@gmail.com >
Subject: (e-U)速 Re: [PGGroup] Gairsain Distance from Various Districts of Uttarakhand
To: PauriGarhwal@yahoogroups. com
Cc: "kumaoni-garhwali@yahoogroups. " <kumaoni-garhwali@com yahoogroups. >, "Uttaranchali_com Association_ " <Uttaranchali_of_Emirates@ yahoogroups. com Association_ >, "TriStateUSA_of_Emirates@ yahoogroups. com Uttaranchal@ " <TriStateUSA_yahoogroups. com Uttaranchal@ >, "uttaranchalassociatyahoogroups. com ionofemirates@ " <uttaranchalassociatyahoo.com ionofemirates@ >, "uttaranchal_yahoo.com bangalore@ " <uttaranchal_yahoogroups. com bangalore@ >, "Extreme_Uttranchal@yahoogroups. com yahoogroups. " <Extreme_Uttranchal@com yahoogroups. >, "younguttaranchal@com yahoogroups. " <younguttaranchal@com yahoogroups. >com
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 12:00 AM
Gaisain Rajdhani honi hee chahiye ,kyoki rajy kee isthhapana hee isi
aadhar par hui thi.
Chunni lal Saah
,, uttarakhand janshakti yuva manch ,,
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>> Haridwar 255 Km 55 Km
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>> Champawat 261 Km 503 Km
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>> Nainital 155 Km 357 KmUdham Singh Nagar 213 Km 270 Km
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तेरा आना भी अच्छा लगता हैं ,
तेरा जाना भी अच्छा लगता हैं ,
पर तेरी परछाई भी जो देख लू ,
तो जिंदगी से भी डर लगने लगता हैं ,,,,
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Re: we should know how a Capital is built
Posted by: "sukhbant singh" sukhbant23@yahoo.co.in sukhbant23
Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:02 pm (PDT)
Dear Dabral ji and Barthwal ji,
It is a very interesting discussion, please keep it up and come up with new facts and figures.
You both seem to be right in your approach. I too support opinion of Barthwal ji that we should not concentrate our resources to Dehradun only.
Regards,
sukhbant
--- On Wed, 13/4/11, jp_dabral@indiatimes.com <jp_dabral@indiatimes.com > wrote:
From: jp_dabral@indiatimes.com <jp_dabral@indiatimes.com >
Subject: Re: [PGGroup] we should know how a Capital is built
To: PauriGarhwal@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011, 6:42 PM
Thanks Vijay for your valuable contribution. Just like to add that the examples of Islamabad and Washingfton DC should not be taken as model for the hills. Islamabad has a twin city which is much bigger, Rawalpindi. In Islamabad you only have government offices.
Washington too is only a few government buildings. Indian cities are much more cohesive - education, business, industry, services, recreational, sports and employment opportunities are a must for our type of living. Transportation in Washington is very different than what we have in India. Population pressure there is very different there than we have in India, The rural-urban dynamics is very different there as compared to our land. The minute there is a capital designated for Uttarakhand, there would be a frenzy in buying land. Our mindsets are different than the American. Their security levels are much more than ours. They have many other opportunities and alternatives. Moreover, they re not as emotionally attached to land as we Indians are.
Shimla today wold be having a population of 5 lakhs. But it is a very congested city. Had there been availablity then many more people would have resided there. Moreover the Kalka Shimla highway has seen a very high population growth in the last twenty years. Factor that too. That would make it 10 lakhs. Probably 50 lakhs was a guestimate that is high. I would like to revise it to atleast 25 lakhs population.
Coming to water. This is normally planned in two ways. The planning commission considers that 40 ltrs per day is the water right of people in rural India. In cities it is 80 ltrs. per person per day. Apart from this there is livelihood and sanitation needs. Let us plan for another 100 ltrs. YOur point of recycled water is well taken. But Indian mindset is different. Have you ever RO-ed your bathroom water and made it potable. Technicallyit is possible but in most houses it is not acceptable. Awareness is very low here. Moreover the technologies and lifestyles of today and the years to come would require more water and its related problems. Car washing, washing machines, water purifiers, fancy bathroom fittings are going to increase the requirement of water to a great extent. Minimalistic planning is for the bygone era. It happened in the 50s and 60s. Todays planning has to be futuristic. We no more live in s demand based economy. Supply based
economics is more prevalent today. And it is there to stay.
City waste of 2 kg per person per day is acceptable. But more important is the disposal system which is very limited in the hills. The leaching and underground movement of moisture is very widespread as compared to the plains. The larger problem would be sewage disposal. That would be the real challenge for the new capital.
I had read about Teesta river in the Economic Times. I hope some day I am able to get you the reference. Incidently AHEC Rorrkee is doing a study for Ganga river. But that institute is a pro-dam institute. Their findings are not going to be the ideal one. Their findings will suit the dam authorities. The study is being sponsored by MoEF.
But I am with you that New Tehri type planning is not what we should ideally have for a state capital. That too is 50 and 60s technology. Lavasa model near Pune would be a more likely planning model I would appreciate. I do not know what it would eventually become because town managerscan succumb to influences and local factors.
It is interesting to see that enlightened persons like you have a keen interest on how the capital should be made and where it should be made. With your inputs to the political leadership of the state I hope they come up with a good solution.
REgards
JP Dabral
----- Original Message -----
From: Vijay Barthwal
To: PauriGarhwal@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:01:44 +0530 (IST)
Subject: Re: [PGGroup] we should know how a Capital is built
Dear Dabral ji,
Nice thought provoking note. May I request you to kindly review the following facts.
please see the attached link and see worldwide how many capital cities have population exceeding 10 lacs (forget 50 lacs)? In fact planned capital cities like Islamabad and Washington DC has population figure of 8 lacs.
http://www.citymayors.com/features/ capitals. html
The waste generation figure for Highly developed ( and high waste generating countries , given in the link given below) is 500 kg/person/ year i.e 1.5 kg/person/year, we can plan for lower side. In fact waste disposal needs different planning methodology and planned city is always better equipped for the same.
http://www.nationmaster.com/ graph/env_ mun_was_gen- environment- municipal- waste-generation
What is per person water requirement?27 to 200 ltrs/day (check link below) and where this water will go? sewage and underground recharge. In a planned city water recycling is basic requirement. We therefore need very limited makeup water and potable quality water.
http://info.k4health. org/pr/m14/ m14chap2_ 2.shtml
Regarding carrying capacity of rivers, HP has decided 10% (or is it 15%) continuous water flow during lean season also, therefore only 15% reduction in power generation should suffice. In this regard Sikkim reducing planned 6000 MW to 1000 MW is not understood. Can you please enlighten which plants are scrapped? In my knowledge none of the planned power projects are scrapped on river Teesta.
You may like to review your write up based on these facts and suggest an out of box solution.
(New Tehri type planned city is certainly not the answer!!!!! )
Vijay
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:31 PM, <jp_dabral@indiatimes.com > wrote:
What is logical is that we should know how a Capital is built. Firstly, it should be planned for a population of 50 lakhs. Anything less will result to a infrastructure collapse especially in the mountains where there is limited scope to expand. I hope we learn from the example of Shimla - congested and cramped. Next Water - If we take a daily consumption of 500 liters of water per person per day which is very conservative compared to what major cities in the world plan, it would mean that we require 2500000000 liters of water per day. Where would the water come from? Drainage, sewage disposal and waste disposal- 80 % of the water requirement goes as sewage.Where will this huge effluent treatment plant be located and what will happen to the disposal mechanism. Solid waste will be about 2 kg.per day per head i.e 100 lakh kgs. everyday.. The actual waste figure might be much higher. Every capital today should have an airport which should be able to
accommodate atleast 737 Boeing and equivalent planes. Ideally it should be 747s. Ideally there should be a railway too for cheap transport. Many other provisions for planners can be done but the cost is going to be phenomenal. No emotional response is sustainable. Wherever the capital will be it should be planned keeping the futuristic technologies in mind. Technologies of the 60s and 70s is obsolete. Therefore people who have limited exposure of town planning should not unnecessarily thrust emotional ideas. Make Gairsain the capital only if the infrastructure permits.
Another example of lack of planning skills in Uttarakhand is the hydro electric projects. The government was planning dams without wasting even an inch of the rivers length. Such faulty planning is regretable.
River planning is done only after ascertaining the cumulative carrying capacity of the river. In Teesta River 6000 MW power projects were planned but when the carrying capacity of the river was done it was found that only 1000 MW is sustainable. Similar studies should be done in Uttarakhand. Only then should be the dams be allowed to be constructed. I am giving these examples so that lay and emotional comments should not let scientific planning be overwhelmed. My objective to write this mail is only to educate people in the forum in their response to the 'Capital' issue. I want them to think out of the box so that we have a sustainable Capital of which we are proud. Otherwise in a few years we will be facing problems without solutions. That would make us a joke in everyones eyes. Let us avoid that.
RegardsJP Dabral
----- Original Message -----
From: sukhbant singh
To: Extreme Uttranchal , paurigarhwal@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 20:55:43 +0530 (IST)
Subject: Re: [PGGroup] Gairsain Distance from Various Districts of Uttarakhand
Dear Mr. Sharma,
What kind of development you are talking about?
What is new in the separate State that was not in UP except new Vidhan Sabha and Mantrimandal.
Why people sacrificed their life for a new State.
Do you have any answer to these questions. Don' know why public forgets so easily all these things.
Regards,
Sukhbant
--- On Wed, 6/4/11, anuj sharma <decentanu2000@yahoo.com > wrote:
From: anuj sharma <decentanu2000@yahoo.com >
Subject: (e-U)速 Re: (e-U)速 Re: [PGGroup] Gairsain Distance from Various Districts of Uttarakhand
To: Extreme_Uttranchal@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 6 April, 2011, 5:31 PM
Distance from various districts is no criteria for deciding the capital. if we apply this criteria then capital of india should be somewhere in madhya predesh instead of delhi. we should concentrate on how our state can progress and developed rather than thinking about where should be the capital and what should be its name(uttarakhand/uttaranchal) . Let the politicians and bureaucrats decide from where they can do good administration. we all should put our best for progress of this beautiful state and stay away from aimless politics of location of capital.
regards
anuj sharma
--- On Wed, 4/6/11, chunni lal shah <chunnilalshah505@gmail.com > wrote:
From: chunni lal shah <chunnilalshah505@gmail.com >
Subject: (e-U)速 Re: [PGGroup] Gairsain Distance from Various Districts of Uttarakhand
To: PauriGarhwal@yahoogroups. com
Cc: "kumaoni-garhwali@yahoogroups. " <kumaoni-garhwali@com yahoogroups. >, "Uttaranchali_com Association_ " <Uttaranchali_of_Emirates@ yahoogroups. com Association_ >, "TriStateUSA_of_Emirates@ yahoogroups. com Uttaranchal@ " <TriStateUSA_yahoogroups. com Uttaranchal@ >, "uttaranchalassociatyahoogroups. com ionofemirates@ " <uttaranchalassociatyahoo.com ionofemirates@ >, "uttaranchal_yahoo.com bangalore@ " <uttaranchal_yahoogroups. com bangalore@ >, "Extreme_Uttranchal@yahoogroups. com yahoogroups. " <Extreme_Uttranchal@com yahoogroups. >, "younguttaranchal@com yahoogroups. " <younguttaranchal@com yahoogroups. >com
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 12:00 AM
Gaisain Rajdhani honi hee chahiye ,kyoki rajy kee isthhapana hee isi
aadhar par hui thi.
Chunni lal Saah
,, uttarakhand janshakti yuva manch ,,
On Wednesday, April 6, 2011, null <null> wrote:
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>> DISTRICT GAIRSAIN DEHRADOON
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>> Uttarakashi 266 Km 208 Km
>> Pauri 150 Km 182 Km
>> New Tehri 202 Km 115 Km
>> Rudraprayag 46 Km 186 Km
>> Chamoli (Gopeshwar) 95 Km 259 Km
>> Haridwar 255 Km 55 Km
>> Pithoragarh 280 Km 578 Km
>> Champawat 261 Km 503 Km
>> Bageshwar 156 Km 482 KmAlmora 135 Km 409 Km
>> Nainital 155 Km 357 KmUdham Singh Nagar 213 Km 270 Km
>> Gairsain to Doon 272 km
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>> Therefore, Gairsain is the suitable place for Capital of uttarakhand.
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>> http://www.merapahadforum.com/ development- issues-of- uttarakhand/ should-gairsain- be-capital/
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>> Please support this issue.
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>> Regards,
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तेरा आना भी अच्छा लगता हैं ,
तेरा जाना भी अच्छा लगता हैं ,
पर तेरी परछाई भी जो देख लू ,
तो जिंदगी से भी डर लगने लगता हैं ,,,,
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Required office cordinator / Office assistant
Posted by: "subodh dangwal" hi_dangwal@yahoo.co.in
Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:39 pm (PDT)
Dear All,
Pls mail resumes on urgent basis for office coordinator / Office assistant . Location is Malviya Nagar/ Saket . New Delhi -17
Thanks & Regards
Subodh Dangwal
Tel:9910484192,011-29522506
"Be the change that you want to see in the world"
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Fw: Uttarakhand Groups like PG Group on Internet can work as the vir
Posted by: "ram prasad" tnordramprasad@yahoo.co.in tnordramprasad
Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:02 pm (PDT)
The matter for initiating the discussion in this Mail is the following conclusion of the last Mail: What can separate truth from fiction and signal from noise? Date: Tuesday, 12 April, 2011, 7:56 AM that read:
The title of this mail is based on an Obama quotation discussed now and then in these Mails. Internet is full of mysteries and the reality has to be found by entering the field of mystery as though we are playing a game on the mysterious front of Internet. This has been cleared in the Mail: Does the Victorian control of Indian mindset and colonial morality still affect this generation in the former colonial world? Friday, 10 September, 2010 2:15 PM as follows:
The Kochiyar Library is still in the planning stage. This library has to institutionalize itself on my experience I have been experimenting on what I describe as live technological nurseries. These are young people who have come to Delhi from rural India in search of jobs. Gumod Parikrama is written by me in Hindi. It is being written for the last ten years to discuss the problems of rural youth and the possibilities that are available to them and or that can be made available to them. The scope has been extended to cover other parts of the country. The daily Gumod Parikrama pieces are woven together by the Editor Dev Singh Rawat in Pyara Uttarakhand weekly in its column Phatte ki Sarkar. The Chain of Dhumakot Sangliya Mails has made reference to Phatte ki Sarkar. The mails have discussed the Rajasthan Nainidandian Radheyshyam only the recent mails are discussing the Bihar Nainidandian Birendar as a recent addition to the list of live
technological nurseries. What I am really doing is testing these specified samples of rural youth with the Maslow model of management. Each of them is being request to consider the possibility of self actualization. But this model perhaps does not answer the question "The poor cannot afford morality and the rich don't need it". This involves the questions of sex and psychology beyond conventional and well known biology. This is why it is important to understand more recent work Renovating the Pyramid of Needs: Contemporary Extensions Built Upon Ancient Foundations.
The concept of Global Poverty Cuboid is being further understood and explained in these mails.
Dhumakot Sangliya Mails today are trying to make use of PBD-2012. Let us learn what these Mails tried to make use of PBD-2011. The Mail: Is Kochiyar Library Gopio connectivity social reverse osmosis for tackling global poverty? Monday, 6 September, 2010 12:05 PM concluded:
The psychological problems are easier to handle on internet. Internet may create its own psychological problems. But what about economic problems. The problem of poverty needs attention in different directions including these two. How does Kochiyar Library use the above information on internet at the local level? Internet calls this process as social reverse osmosis for its own world. What Kochiyar Library has to do is to use knowledge for developing people who like Birender do not leave their villages. It is, however, for Birender to make use of opportunities
These Mails found the First Prahalad Memorial Lecture in PBD-2011 as an opportunity and made use of this opportunity to transform the Global Poverty Formula as Global Poverty Cuboid. These Mails today are focusing on Bhishma Pundits who are poles apart from Birender mentioned above. The Kochiyar Library has to be built by Team Kochiyar Library and work under the guidance of Bhishma Pundits. There are two types of Bhishma Pundits. Those who matter in Kochiyar and those who matter at the global level. Both these types are encapsulated in the Global Poverty Cuboid.
Similarly there are two types of Birenders. One type lives in Madhepura District of Bihar and the other lives in Delhi. Birender went to his village and returned to Delhi after months.
The focus of PBD-2012 is Rajasthan. These Mails are trying to explore opportunities provided by the Rajasthan centred PBD-2012. The activities will be on eFront. These Mails are working of what is described as iFront by calling in characters like Radheshyam and Birendar. In this connection let us go to through a reference that appeared in a blog known as iridium interactive that is as old as these mails are. A story Iridium Turns 11 was posted by one Salaudin on March 16, 2011 in the blog itself and this story tells us:
On March 14, 2000, 11 years ago, iridium Interactive was born. From the days of its inception when we leveraged technology and the power of the internet to help those affected by the cyclone in Orissa in 2000 to today when we have expanded our operations to include projects in Nairobi, Kenya, we have come a long way. Along the way we have been associated with several organizations and bodies and have worked towards building a better tomorrow through our CSR arm, Cause an Effect Foundation. We have stayed true to our mission from Day 1, using technology to help a wide variety of for and non profit organizations solve their problems and develop new approaches to meet their goals.
This very blog has a posting that has relevance to the current mail. Author Julian Watkins posted on March 23, 2010 an analysis carrying the title The Pros And Cons Of Social Networking Sites. It says:
These days the social networking sites have become extremely popular among the youth as well as the professional people. Keeping in mind, the growing popularity of these sites and the effect it has and the benefits that it brings along, it can be easily predicted that its popularity is sure to grow much more. Some of the sites such as Friendster and MySpace are the two most popular sites that aim to build special niche for people who share common interests and passions. Whereas social networking sites such as Twitter and LinkedIn are more professionally related and help the business men promote their businesses.
However, everything has a positive and negative side. Similarly, the social networking sites are also made up of their set of pros and cons.
The internet facility is available to "Well to Do" only and particularly to those who live in the environment of the local or global corporate world. Corporate social responsibility (CSR, also called corporate conscience, corporate citizenship, social performance, or sustainable responsible business) is a form of corporate self-regulation integrated into a business model. The blog iridium interactive has been associated with several organizations and bodies and have worked towards building a better tomorrow through their CSR arm, Cause an Effect Foundation. Uttarakhand Groups on Internet realize their social responsibility and promote developmental activities by as the above author says:
By joining different communities, now people can easily know about the latest news related to that community. You can easily get the experts advice on any challenge you may face related to their topic of interest. And the best part of this is that the advice is free. You don't need to pay a single paisa for it. Experts are always ready to give their advice and share information with you. These are just some of the several positive things that have contributed to make social networking really popular among people and spread smiles. It has made world a small place and everyone can stay connected.
Ram Prasad
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Urgent Requirement: Injection Moulding experience
Posted by: "karan ..." karan1710@yahoo.co.in
Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:14 pm (PDT)
Dear Group members,
Here are the details of this requirement:
Job Description : Injection moulding Plastic or Sheet metal
Exp: more than 10 yrs
Quali:. any
Location : Rudrapur
Cliet: Lloyd Industries
Please send the CVs to soni.mcpconsultants@gmail.com
Regards
Karan
- 5a.
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Re: Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40 schools)
Posted by: "reena singh" reena.singh1984@gmail.com
Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:20 am (PDT)
Hi,
Dear Bishtji and all the other members of PGG, i would like to acknowledge
all of you to take such a great initiative which would not only empower the
kids of our state but indirectly help us in shaping the future of our
nation.
I, Reena Mehra from Mumbai would like to be part of this initiative. As a HR
professional i can help in designing the forms and i can also help in
training programmes if required.
Along with that i would like to suggest that during these sessions we can
also include a session on importance of extra curricular activities. The
extra curricular activities not only boost a a student's talent but helps
them in all round development.
The extra curricular activities can be painting , dance , debate
competitions for them (schools might be conducting these things) or outdoor
sports activities.
We can have a summer camp or vacation camp for the students where some one
can coach them in the sports they like which can help these students to
utilize their free time and also learn something important.
This is just a suggestion if you like it we can incorporate them and support
these kids to have an overall development.
Thank you all for patient listening.
Regards,
Reena Singh
- 5b.
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Re: Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40 schools)
Posted by: "Rawat Hema" rawat.hema@gmail.com
Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:42 am (PDT)
Dear all
I appreciate this step of empowering kids and parents. I hope this movement
will also shed light on the lacunae in the present education system in the
state and help in getting a solution in this regard.
If it is going to be in May, I can help in training the kids and spreading
awareness amongst the masses.
Also in my opinion youngsters in classes 9-12 need counseling on academic
front and career options. Their concern can be addressed during interactive
sessions.
Let me know if I can lend some help.
You can reach me at rawat.hema@gmail.com and hema.rawat@hindustantimes.com
Regards
Hema Rawat
Senior Staff Writer
Hindustan Times
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:32 PM, reena singh <reena.singh1984@gmail.com >wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Dear Bishtji and all the other members of PGG, i would like to acknowledge
> all of you to take such a great initiative which would not only empower the
> kids of our state but indirectly help us in shaping the future of our
> nation.
>
> I, Reena Mehra from Mumbai would like to be part of this initiative. As a
> HR professional i can help in designing the forms and i can also help in
> training programmes if required.
>
> Along with that i would like to suggest that during these sessions we can
> also include a session on importance of extra curricular activities. The
> extra curricular activities not only boost a a student's talent but helps
> them in all round development.
>
> The extra curricular activities can be painting , dance , debate
> competitions for them (schools might be conducting these things) or outdoor
> sports activities.
>
> We can have a summer camp or vacation camp for the students where some one
> can coach them in the sports they like which can help these students to
> utilize their free time and also learn something important.
>
> This is just a suggestion if you like it we can incorporate them and
> support these kids to have an overall development.
>
>
> Thank you all for patient listening.
>
> Regards,
> Reena Singh
>
>
>To: paurigarhwal@yahoogroups. com
From: sooni_ksr00@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:44:12 +0000
Subject: [PGGroup] Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40 schools) ~~ 2011..!!
Dear PGGians:
PG Group's team led by Shri Jagat Singh Bishtji from Jaipur is planning to have detailed "Interaction Sessions with Students in Uttarakhand Hills" in April/May'2011.
This team will be covering over 40 schools in Kumaon & Garhwal region during their above camps.
The interaction will be on the role of education in shaping the future of students and importance of the awareness of the parents, opportunities available after Class XII and why students should fix the goals for their future and where they are likely to stand. A questionnaire for the purpose of the parents is also made available which will have various issues including education and rural development. This type of outside inputs can motivate the students at large.
Team will have similar interaction for the students of VI and VIII.
If any PGG member (all age) is willing to contribute for this noble cause and would like to be part of this initiative, please contact Shri J.S. Bishtji on his mobile ~~ 09680843998.
This is for members' information please.
Thanks & Regards,
K.S.RAWAT
Moderator - PG Group!!
New Delhi/09818007079
http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/paurigarhw al
http://www.paurigarhwal.com/
- 5c.
-
Re: Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40 schools)
Posted by: "jagat bist" jagatbist@yahoo.co.in jagatbist
Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:47 am (PDT)
Dear Reena
Thanks for your mail and suggesting extra curriculars, training, etc. You are
most welcome to join us. You may also give your presentation in the ensuing
education camp of PGG for which you may contact Shri KS Rawat or Shri Subhash
Pokhriyal.
With best wishes
JSBist
_____________________ _________ __
From: reena singh <reena.singh1984@gmail.com >
To: PauriGarhwal@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, 14 April, 2011 12:32:27 PM
Subject: Re: [PGGroup] Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40
schools) ~~ 2011..!!
Hi,
Dear Bishtji and all the other members of PGG, i would like to acknowledge all
of you to take such a great initiative which would not only empower the kids of
our state but indirectly help us in shaping the future of our nation.
I, Reena Mehra from Mumbai would like to be part of this initiative. As a HR
professional i can help in designing the forms and i can also help in training
programmes if required.
Along with that i would like to suggest that during these sessions we can also
include a session on importance of extra curricular activities. The extra
curricular activities not only boost a a student's talent but helps them in all
round development.
The extra curricular activities can be painting , dance , debate competitions
for them (schools might be conducting these things) or outdoor sports
activities.
We can have a summer camp or vacation camp for the students where some one can
coach them in the sports they like which can help these students to utilize
their free time and also learn something important.
This is just a suggestion if you like it we can incorporate them and support
these kids to have an overall development.
Thank you all for patient listening.
Regards,
Reena Singh
- 5d.
-
Re: Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40 schools)
Posted by: "jagat bist" jagatbist@yahoo.co.in jagatbist
Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:47 am (PDT)
Dear Hema
Thanks for your mail and suggestions.You may join us as per your convenience.
Alternatively you can present your thoughts in the ensuing education camp of PGG
for which you may contact Shri KS Rawat or Shri Subhash Pokhriyal.
With best wishes
JSBist
_____________________ _________ __
From: Rawat Hema <rawat.hema@gmail.com >
To: PauriGarhwal@yahoogroups. com
Cc: reena singh <reena.singh1984@gmail.com >
Sent: Thu, 14 April, 2011 2:42:17 PM
Subject: Re: [PGGroup] Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40
schools) ~~ 2011..!!
Dear all
I appreciate this step of empowering kids and parents. I hope this movement
will also shed light on the lacunae in the present education system in the
state and help in getting a solution in this regard.
If it is going to be in May, I can help in training the kids and spreading
awareness amongst the masses.
Also in my opinion youngsters in classes 9-12 need counseling on academic
front and career options. Their concern can be addressed during interactive
sessions.
Let me know if I can lend some help.
You can reach me at rawat.hema@gmail.com and hema.rawat@hindustantimes.com
Regards
Hema Rawat
Senior Staff Writer
Hindustan Times
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:32 PM, reena singh <reena.singh1984@gmail.com >wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Dear Bishtji and all the other members of PGG, i would like to acknowledge
> all of you to take such a great initiative which would not only empower the
> kids of our state but indirectly help us in shaping the future of our
> nation.
>
> I, Reena Mehra from Mumbai would like to be part of this initiative. As a
> HR professional i can help in designing the forms and i can also help in
> training programmes if required.
>
> Along with that i would like to suggest that during these sessions we can
> also include a session on importance of extra curricular activities. The
> extra curricular activities not only boost a a student's talent but helps
> them in all round development.
>
> The extra curricular activities can be painting , dance , debate
> competitions for them (schools might be conducting these things) or outdoor
> sports activities.
>
> We can have a summer camp or vacation camp for the students where some one
> can coach them in the sports they like which can help these students to
> utilize their free time and also learn something important.
>
> This is just a suggestion if you like it we can incorporate them and
> support these kids to have an overall development.
>
>
> Thank you all for patient listening.
>
> Regards,
> Reena Singh
>
>
>To: paurigarhwal@yahoogroups. com
From: sooni_ksr00@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:44:12 +0000
Subject: [PGGroup] Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40
schools) ~~ 2011..!!
Dear PGGians:
PG Group's team led by Shri Jagat Singh Bishtji from Jaipur is planning to have
detailed "Interaction Sessions with Students in Uttarakhand Hills" in
April/May'2011.
This team will be covering over 40 schools in Kumaon & Garhwal region during
their above camps.
The interaction will be on the role of education in shaping the future of
students and importance of the awareness of the parents, opportunities available
after Class XII and why students should fix the goals for their future and where
they are likely to stand. A questionnaire for the purpose of the parents is also
made available which will have various issues including education and rural
development. This type of outside inputs can motivate the students at large.
Team will have similar interaction for the students of VI and VIII.
If any PGG member (all age) is willing to contribute for this noble cause and
would like to be part of this initiative, please contact Shri J.S. Bishtji on
his mobile ~~ 09680843998.
This is for members' information please.
Thanks & Regards,
K.S.RAWAT
Moderator - PG Group!!
New Delhi/09818007079
http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/paurigarhw al
http://www.paurigarhwal.com/
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PG Group: Get-together
Posted by: "Subhash Pokhriyal" pokhriyal_subhash@yahoo.co.in pokhriyal_subhash
Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:34 am (PDT)
Dear Members,
The group is going to organize a cultural get-together in Delhi as per the
following programme:
Date: 01st May, 2011 (Sunday)
Time: 11.30 AM
Venue: Garhwal Bhawan, Panchkuian Road, New Delhi
Please send your response on the below link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/PauriGarhw al/surveys? id=2361740
Thanks & Regards,
सुभाष पोखरियाल
पौड़ी गढ़वाल ग्रुप, नई दिल्ली
+91 9811709882
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Re: PG Group Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40
Posted by: "Harish Gouniyal" harishgouniyal@hotmail.com
Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:47 am (PDT)
Dear Mr. Rawat,
Thank you very much for bringing to me Mr. Bisht�s effort in bringing quality, better education system in Uttrakhand. I truly appreciate his service and wish him all the success in this noble cause.
I look forward to the findings especially his study/research on the quality of education that is being currently provided, the state of affairs of the schools, its infrastructure, state of the class(es), chairs, tables, the state of the library (if there is one), science laboratories, etc.
Study on the quality of teachers, their passion about teaching versus their ability to teach, their day to day situation at school, at home, etc., would be most critical exercise in this project.
Interaction with students will definitely give us an idea about their awareness of standards of education available around the world, as well as their understanding of what to expect from themselves, their schools, their families, teachers, and their state while receiving quality education.
Meeting family, parents, guardian of the students will give an idea about the family and personal challenges students their families face while pursuing education.
I am sure the project will sum up with available (rather lack of ) facilities required versus what is specifically required to fulfill/provide a decent education system, one that will act as a true platform, a spring board from where students can jump start their effort towards achieving their future, whatever they choose to be. This finding can then be taken to the education minister of the state, or to NGO�s who are involved with education related projects. Here I will be happy to be of any help.
On a personal note, to me a model school is one that serves as a true window of information, knowledge, and opportunity so students not only know what�s happening around the world, but one that helps them realize their true value, their talent, and then facilitate-match their talent with right career choices such that they become knowledgeable, sensible, responsible and successful citizens of UK and the World.
Once again wishing Mr. Bisht all the success in his noble endeavor.
Thank you and best regards
Harish
To: paurigarhwal@yahoogroups. com
CC: maheshgoswami321@gmail.com
From: ashokpande@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:37:47 +0530
Subject: Re: [PGGroup] Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40 schools) ~~ 2011..!!
Excellent Thought! May your Tribe Increase!
I have a friend at Haldwani, who himself is a Teacher- Mahesh Goswami 9411596632. In case you are going that side, He Could be willing to help. I am sending a CC to him too.
Regds
Ashok Pande
9822401405
From: K.S. RAWAT
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 2:14 PM
To: paurigarhwal@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PGGroup] Interaction with Students in Uttarakhand Hills (over 40 schools) ~~ 2011..!!
Dear PGGians:
PG Group's team led by Shri Jagat Singh Bishtji from Jaipur is planning to have detailed "Interaction Sessions with Students in Uttarakhand Hills" in April/May'2011.
This team will be covering over 40 schools in Kumaon & Garhwal region during their above camps.
The interaction will be on the role of education in shaping the future of students and importance of the awareness of the parents, opportunities available after Class XII and why students should fix the goals for their future and where they are likely to stand. A questionnaire for the purpose of the parents is also made available which will have various issues including education and rural development. This type of outside inputs can motivate the students at large.
Team will have similar interaction for the students of VI and VIII.
If any PGG member (all age) is willing to contribute for this noble cause and would like to be part of this initiative, please contact Shri J.S. Bishtji on his mobile ~~ 09680843998.
This is for members' information please.
Thanks & Regards,
K.S.RAWAT
Moderator - PG Group!!
New Delhi/09818007079
http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/paurigarhw al
http://www.paurigarhwal.com/
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