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1a.: Re: searching a brahamin garhwali GIRL

Posted by: "rayalmanoj" rayalmanoj@yahoo.in rayalmanoj

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:41 pm (PDT)

namskar thapliayal ji
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2a.: Re: Urgent Requirement of Receptionists, Managers, Hair Stylists & F

Posted by: "Parashar Gaur" parashargaur@yahoo.com parashargaur

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:42 pm (PDT)

sorry Bandhu

what a rougha rude lauguage you used for us . seems me you are abusing us . if you would add after pahari such a word like bandh/bhai would be appriciable.

with lots of love to you

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To: younguttaranchal@yahoogroups.com; paurigarhwal@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 3:04:24 AM
Subject: [PGG] Urgent Requirement of Receptionists, Managers, Hair Stylists & Faculty etc.

Hello to All Pahari's

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03. Hair Stylists Lajpat / Gurgoan Male
04. Hair Educators (Faculty) All centres Male

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3a.: Re: Address required (CJM - Pauri)

Posted by: "jiwan singh kandari" kandari6@yahoo.co.in kandari6

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:42 pm (PDT)

Dear Pokhiriyal Ji
In pauri all court are centralized stiuated near DM Banglow,Cirkit House , Kandolia, (Kandolia to Devparyag Road) Pauri.Pauri Garhwal.Uttrakhand.

kandari.

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From: Subhash Pokhriyal <pokhriyal_subhash@yahoo.co.in>
To: Pauri Garhwal <paurigarhwal@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: manish_bhagia_16@hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, 28 July, 2009 1:35:09 PM
Subject: [PGG] Address required (CJM - Pauri)

Dear Members,

Can any one knows the address of CJM Pauri.

Thx & Rgds,

Subhash Pokhriyal
Team PGG - Delhi
+91 9811709882

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To: pokhriyal_subhash@ yahoo.co. in
Sent: Tuesday, 28 July, 2009 1:04:42 PM
Subject:

Dear Sir,
I want the address of the court of Chief Judicial Magistrate in pauri.

I will be wait for your mail.

Thanks & Regards
Manish Bhagia
9212043977 & 9899102977
Email-manish_ bhagia_16@ hotmail.com
http://manish- nonu.blogspot. com

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4a.: Re: Wanting to get into academics (Teaching MBA students) after 22 y

Posted by: "Madan Kotnala" mkotnala@gmail.com

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:44 pm (PDT)

Sudhir,

I suggest you should approach to GD Goenka World Institute and Lancaster
University,UK- recently started a huge campus near Delhi.The address is GD
Goenka Education City, Sohana Gurgaon road or contact thru email careers @
gdgoenka.com or go thru website www.goenkaglobal.com. They have world class
education systems in management in the segments.
This is suggested keeping in view of your experience and International
exposure you have.
Good luck to you.

Best Regards

Madan Kotnala

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5.: From himalayauk.org newsportal dehradun

Posted by: "Chandrashekhar Joshi" csjoshi_editor@yahoo.in csjoshi_editor

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:44 pm (PDT)

From himalayauk.org newsportal dehradun
Hi, all Uttrakhandies, I am from Uttrakhand Ist hindi newsportal himalayauk..org.
Portal worldwide & our foucs Uttrakhand different things. Our mission Parvatraj himalaya & Ganga River. Our portal highlights Himalaya & Ganga Issues.
In this work any uttrakhandi helps us as a advertisement & other ways. I appeal all uttrakhandi help his motherland & DevBhoomi. We are working in favour of Parvatraj Himalaya & Holy Rive Ganga. Pl. help us.
From: himalayauk.org newsportal
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6.: Californea

Posted by: "Mukund Dhoundiyal" ml.dhoundiyal@gmail.com mldhoundiyal

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:44 pm (PDT)

*Dear friends*
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*i m likely to move to Californea (USA) to visit my son. *
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*I wish to know if any one of our Uttaranchali bandhu ** living*
* in or around Californea so that i can feel stay touch with Uttaranchal.
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*Plz give me the address or fon or ID at least.. *

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7.: CANADIAN IMMIGRATION HELP

Posted by: "santosh rana" ssranaji@yahoo.com ssranaji

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:44 pm (PDT)

Dear All,

could you please let me know ,what type of experience letter canadian immi is accepting .

can I have few experience letter formats ,so that I can ask my company to give letter to me.

thanks for your understanding
best regards
santosh

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8.: LAND FOR SALE

Posted by: "vijay juyal" vijay_juyal2003@yahoo.com vijay_juyal2003

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:45 pm (PDT)

HI,
Pg Group Members, If someone intrested to purchase land in good location at Ramnagar (nainital), there is a new colony located near to Bhawanipur, plots are minimum of 100 sq. yards cost around 1.5 lacs.
25% plots already been sold

For more details you can contact to below mentioned no's:
Mr. Rajesh Kandari- Mbl: 09756692837 &
Mr. Shiv Singh Gosain- Mbl: 0941181419

Thanks & Regards,

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9a.: Re: First e-paper of uttrakhand

Posted by: "sonu bhriguraj" sonugauniyal@yahoo.co.uk

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:46 pm (PDT)

Dear Manuj,
great thing you have started among in our peoples to learn the new things in life. so great work. All the best, good wishes to you for your initiative.

Bhriguraj Gauniyal

--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Mrs. C K Pandey <ckpandey2005@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mrs. C K Pandey <ckpandey2005@yahoo.com>
Subject: [PGG] Re: First e-paper of uttrakhand
To: "S Rajen Todariya" <todariya@gmail.com>, "paurigarhwal" <paurigarhwal@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, 28 July, 2009, 10:06 AM

Dear Manuj:

Tks for your e.mail. It is good to see our people coming forward with new things for our people.

Kindly send your introductory mail to paurigarhwal group <paurigarhwal@ yahoogroups. com> also,

For any help, you are always welcome

Keep it up
God bless
Mrs. Pandey

--- On Mon, 7/27/09, S Rajen Todariya <todariya@gmail. com> wrote:

From: S Rajen Todariya <todariya@gmail. com>
Subject: First e-paper of uttrakhand
To: uanabod@uttaranchal .org
Cc: younguttaranchal@ yahoogroups. com, mp.mehta@sify. com, ckpandey2005@ yahoo.com, drashokbarthwal@ yahoo.com
Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 9:13 AM

Dear Sir,
It is our proud privilege to inform you that we are shortly launching Uttarakhand´s first daily e- paper- himalayanews. com We have in our panel senior and well known journalists, who would bring latest news coverage to you. Our paper will contain exclusive news analysis, reportage and commentary on current affairs of national, international, and regional importance. The focus of our paper, however shall be to cover exclusive News from nook and corner of the Himalayan region. Our galaxy of journalists and photojournalists include: Shri S. Rajen Todariya .ex-Resident Editor, Dainik Bhaskar, Shri Rakesh Khanduri, ex Astt. Editor Janpaksh Aajkal, Reputed veteran journalist Shri Harish Chandola, ex Special correspondent HT Shri Manu Panwar, Associate Producer Star News, Shri Ramesh Pahari, veteran leader of Chipko Aandolan, Shri Leeladhar Jaguri & Shri Manglesh Dabral, both Sahitya Academy Award winners. Famous historian Prof. Atul Saklani, Renowned
Environmental scientist Prof . N.P.todariya and Leading photographers of Uttarakhand Mr Angra, Kailash Kandwal & Kuldip Rana.

The aim and objective of this paper is not only to bring the latest and exclusive new to you but also to present a panorama of history & culture, famous personalities of the state, travel and destinations, trekking, adventure, interviews , photogallary and much more. It is beginning of a long journey. To realise our dream come true your cooperation is highly solicited at all levels and walks of life. your response will encourage us.

Thanks
Manuj Joshi
Project Head

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10.: Urgent requirement for Java \ J2E \ Cognos \ mainframes \ Mainframes

Posted by: "SURYAKANT GAUR" suryakant_gr@yahoo.co.in suryakant_gr

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:46 pm (PDT)

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11a.: Re: Ayurveda: an Anecdote or a National Legacy

Posted by: "sumit kainthola" skainthola@yahoo.com

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:48 pm (PDT)

     Dear Friends ,
     It is nice to go through the discussion on ayurveda and allopathy.'Patanjali
     Yogapeetha' is working in this direction.They are doing good research supported
      by clinical research to prove the efficiency of ayurveda medicines.They have invested
      more than Rs. 500 crores.Hope things will change in the future.

      regards,
      Sumit kainthola

--- On Tue, 7/28/09, r joshi <drrkjoshi@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: r joshi <drrkjoshi@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [PGG] Ayurveda: an Anecdote or a National Legacy
To: PauriGarhwal@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 6:40 AM

sanju pahari
you seem to be a confused lot to me?
while you tried to stir a religious issue to Ayurveda like an Indian politician- let me make it clear that a true doctor,vaidya or any physician should be above religion and should treat his or her patients as human beings
as for hinduatva i am very a proud Hindu,(though citizen of UK and living amid Christian faith and influence) -and yes i have read Vedas-the English translation as unfortunately my Sanskrit is not good!!-in fact i am still reading it and some of the teachings like animal sacrifice etc -i do not agree with!!
still i try to convince my white friends here about teachings of Vedas and greatness of Hindu religion whenever the opportunity strikes.
regarding your evidence on Ayurveda i am sorry to say what you have provided is nothing more than stories-i hate to call them review articles!!-as they are not based on multi centred double blind trials or any good data
in fact if you look closely one of your own article reflects your confusion--- please see this conclusion of one of article you have provided which speaks for it self??--

CONCLUSIONS: Evidence-based studies on the efficacy and safety of traditional Indian medicines are limited. The essential ingredient in most formulations is not precisely defined. High quality studies are necessary to evaluate and compare the value of traditional Indian drugs to modern medicine.

i am also enclosing following form wikepedia -though i agree that what ever is said in wikepedia may not always be true/peer reviewed -though it does have references for cross checking--

Safety
Major safety concerns include adulteration of herbal medicines with toxic metals, and intrinsic toxicity of herbal medications. Some traditional Ayurvedic treatments use toxic metals, herbs, and minerals as part of their remedies. Rasa Shastra, the practice of adding metals, minerals or gems to herbs, increases the likelihood of toxic metals such as lead, mercury, or arsenic in the remedy.[66]
A 2004 study found toxic heavy metals such as lead, mercury and arsenic in 20% of Ayurvedic preparations that were made in South Asia for sale around Boston and extrapolated the data to America. It concluded that excess consumption of these products could cause health risks.[67] A 2008 study found that approximately 20% of remedies (and 40% of rasa shastra medicines) purchased over the internet from both US and Indian suppliers were contaminated with toxic metals.[66]
Traditionally the toxicity of these materials are believed to be reduced through processes such as samskaras or shodhanas (for metals), which is similar to the Chinese pao zhi, although the Ayurvedic technique is more complex and may involve prayers as well as physical pharmacy techniques.[68] Rigorous evidence that the metals may be rendered nontoxic is not available, and case reports describe adverse effects to these metals.[66]
There is evidence that using some Ayurvedic medicines, especially those involving herbs, metals, minerals, or other materials involves potentially serious risks, including toxicity.[52][69] Adverse reactions to herbs due their pharmacology are described in traditional Ayurveda texts, but Ayurvedic practitioners are reluctant to admit that herbs could be toxic and the reliable information on herbal toxicity is not easily available.[70]
Following concerns about metal toxicity, the Government of India ruled that Ayurvedic products must specify their metallic content directly on the labels of the product.[71] The harmful effects of the samples is attributed in part to the adulterated raw material and lack of workers trained in traditional medicine.[72] In a letter to the Indian Academy of Sciences, director of the Interdisciplinary School of Health Sciences, University of Pune Patwardhan Bhushan stated that the metal adulteration is due to contamination and carelessness during the much faster modern manufacturing processes, and does not occur with traditional methods of preparation.[73] Publication of the levels of contamination found in the products has resulted in decline of Ayurveda in India as well as abroad.[72]

Being a medical doctor -both me and my wife,who predominately works with south asian Indian population have seen several side effects of Ayurveda medicines/herbal medicines in past several years with some time fatal results.So the notion that ayurvedic medicines have no side effect is completely untrue and a rather dangerous statement to say a least.

you are also confused between herbal source of medicines and ayurveda-while ayurveda is a traditional Indian way of medicines but unfortunately over the period of time due to lake of patronage and proper studies has been limited to tridosa-the wat,cough and pitta without much modern understandings of human body and diseases.in fact all the ayurvedic institutes which proudly produce ayurvedic vaidyas in india-who quickly prefix their names with dr. soon after coming out of these institute;teach allopathic system of pathology and anatomy rather than the old style traditional way!!-and surprisingly these doctors once out also start practising allopathic system for a quick fix.

as for herbal sources they have been used in all forms of traditional medicine for several centuries in different cultures-even in western medicines -for example digoxin is an alkaloid found in fox glove and quinine comes from bark of cinchona.Aspirin the most widely used drug in whole world comes from willow bark and has been used by some tribals for centuries-but then it does not make them ayurvedic medications (these all drugs are active ingredients of these sources and now synthesised artificially rather than from natural sources)-in fact quite often some animals mainly primates eat barks of some tree and some time I wonder they know more than us about ayurveda.
biggest problem about the the ayurveda is lack of knowledge about the active ingredients in several medications and lack of knowledge how does it work -if it does? and persistent ignorance about the "side effects"
your comment about curcumin in turmeric is worth mentioning -western researcher are looking into it in a systematic way for last few years and i am proud to say that my university here is currently doing a big research-initial results are favourable and it seems it does prevent colorectal cancer but there is a caveat-initial results show that we need about 100 mgs/day though usual curry contains about 1-2 mgs-so we need loads of turmeric every day-any it is our way of cuisine and as you all will agree nothing to do with ayurveda in general.

modern medicines like allopathic system though not a panacea for all the ailments works around logic and hard core evidence-the data;all the new drugs are researched -have first animal trials and then three phase trials on humans for safety and efficacy-billions of dollars are spent and then only handful of drugs go through the strict safety net-still we see lot of side effects
unfortunately this tight regulation and heavy expenses also put up the prices of final product which makes these drugs some time out of reach of poor people.

though charak gets mention in our western books(and he was great surgeon) but subsequent lack of development in the area of surgery should be i think final nail in the coffin of Ayurveda.
unless modern vaidyas in india put their house in order and produce hard core evidence it will be an uphill task for you to convince people like me and several other western and Indian scholars about ayurveda.

rudness in not in my culture and i will leave it to our learned forum members to decide who has been rude all through after a quick glance on all the mails!!
regards
ravi

From: sanjupahari <sanjupahari@ yahoo.com>
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, 27 July, 2009 19:49:00
Subject: Re: [PGG] Ayurveda: an Anecdote or a National Legacy

Dear group members Namaskar,

Ravi ji, In vein of the same stream I have been thinking over this since you first replied back on this subject. However, didn´t want to deviate from the main stream discussion, but your repeated sarcastic statements on "Ayurveda" followed by "Indian Journals" had made me introspect a bit in my limited brain boundaries,, , please feel free to correct me whatsoever you find it inappropriate and illogical henceforth ....I also feel the discussion was going out of the brook so I changed the subject line with an aim to welcome more precise yet comprehensive approaches in terms of multi-brain involvement and interest.

As the question was raised off the beam, m here with handful references on WELL WRITTEN, RECENTLY published GOOD IMPACT FACTOR-HIGH CITATION and PEERLY REVIWED journals not only to support my previous statement "Ayurveda works equally well SOMETIME" but also to have vis-a-vis on your curiosity to read concrete and published results and ofcourse to contradict "its waste of time".

Before I begin, I just wish to share something on emotional ground first, please be cautious of condemning ethnic values!!!! having been coevolved with life natural products are billions of years old, in India Ayurveda is suppose to have 3000 years old history....how could it be "WASTE OF TIME". Dear friend I don´t know being HINDU how deep you are in to the study, adoption and respect to VEDAS but the verses of Ayurveda are included in ATHARVAVEDA, which simply implies that the Ayurveda is as old as the Vedas. Presently it is in daily use by millions of people in India , Nepal and Sri Lanka , hope not all are WASTING THEIR TIME. On top of it, Unani, Chinese and Tibetan Medicine had been drastically influenced by Ayurveda. It´s nothing but our misfortune that Chinese people turned out to be more cleavers and keep patenting the outcomes very fast (Ref: http://www.freshpat ents.com/ Herbal-formulati ons-for-arthriti s-dt20060525ptan 20060110468.
php). On the other hand our own people with no supportive spirit are just reproving these ancient facts..... The relevance and significance of Ayurveda lies in the fact that tens of thousands of medicines have been produced as secondary metabolites by the higher plants as a natural defense against disease and infection since years.......natural surprises are way beyond our heads sometime....any way m leaving this untouched for an instance

Now as the written facts can please you more, I would request you to read this article "Curcumin as Curecumin: From kitchen to clinic", where the relevance of HALDI (Curcuma Longa) in curing the cancer is well discussed with clinical proofs. Prof. Bharat B. Aggarwal at el. (from Cytokine Research Laboratory, Departments of Experimental Therapeutics, The University of Texas, Houston, TX, United States) in 2007 stated, "The Indian system of holistic medicine known as Ayurveda uses plant-based drugs or formulations to treat various ailments including cancer (I think, cancer is much complicated than KABZ or Constipation : ) ). Of the approximately 877 small molecule drugs introduced worldwide between 1981 and 2002, most (61%) can be traced back to their origins in natural products". (Ref: b i o ch e m i c a l pharmacology, 7 5 ( 2 0 0 8 ) 7 8 7- 8 0 9.)

From your statements, one should have never inferred the things other way around,,,but sorry to say, "I did",,,,,being an extravagantly straight towards the ethnic values I find this mail worth sharing my resentment and pain specially when one of our own countrymen reviles the revealed facts of Ayurveda. Frankly speaking, neither you nor any one around the globe, be it FDA or USFDA or anyone else, has any privileges to condemn our ethnic legacy, it includes Ayurveda indeed....the rejection from FDA is thier ill fortune not Ayurvedas'.. .  So please forgive me as I could not shut my mouth up while reading your sarcastic comments on our ancient asset....not only that, your another sarcastic remark "AYURVEDA has only been favorable for KABZ" did niothing but further increased my antipathy,,, Dear Dr. plz browse the web more sincerely, precisely and unbiased-ly to know lil more on the contemporary Ayurveda research...things have been altering much
faster than what one could have ever think of, and more than much-more experimental results have successfully been published around the globe for couple of past decades. I personally believe, Ayurvedic science has already been augmenting to its triumph and after supplementary clinical trials there would eventually be a time soon for the Ayurveda and Herbal medicines to flourish ....
Had everyone synchronized their beliefs your way, probably the term "reverse pharmacology" would have never evolved and we would have never been able to cure critical disease like cancer using Ayurvedic reverse pharmacology. (Ref: [a] Cho JW, Lee KS, Kim CW. Curcumin attenuates the expression of IL-1beta, IL-6, and TNF-alpha as well as cyclin E in TNF-alpha-treated HaCaT cells; NF-kappaB and MAPKs as potential upstream targets. Int J Mol Med 2007;19:469-74 and [b] Aggarwal S, Ichikawa H, Takada Y, Sandur SK, Shishodia S, Aggarwal BB. Curcumin (diferuloylmethane) downregulates expression of cell proliferation and antiapoptotic and metastatic gene products through suppression of IkappaBalpha kinase and Akt activation. Mol Pharmacol 2006;69:195-206.)....
As far as heavy metals chemistry is concerned, its pretty unusual to me...not all but a few like aluminum, cadmium, lead and mercury, are found be carcinogenic or hazardous...moreover other viz; arsenic, copper, iron and nickel are thought to be essential for the body at low concentrations....on the other hand, even a little intake of light metal like beryllium could comparatively be more dangerous....Interestingly, it has been known for decades that the selenium (a heavy metal) is vitally protective against mercury and also has a powerful anti-cancer benefit. When the daily intake is 100 microgrammes or more (200 mcg. is better), the risk of cancer from all sources drops dramatically( Ref: Karam El-Bayoumy, The protective role of selenium on genetic damage and on cancer, Mutation Research/Fundamenta l and Molecular Mechanisms of Mutagenesis Volume 475, Issues 1-2, 18 April 2001, Pages 123-139).. So this problem could be concentration and element
specific but not the molecular weight...list is long...and clinical trials are suppose to be the best ways to unwrap the truth....therein our Ayurveda had taken a long (around 3000 years) on wide range clinical trials revealing many facts open by and large on human and animals of course.

I also feel sorry to say that I have a list of around 654 research papers right on my screen appeared immediately after a SCI-FINDER scan run to study AYURVEDA exclusively on ankylosing spondylitis, rheumatoid spondylitis, Marie-Strumpell disease and various forms of Arthritis, unfortunately i can't share them all here on group (because of heavy size). I hope, being in UK based hospital you must possess a better access to majority of the online medical journals, however I still wish to share a little of what I could using my limited privileges., ,please feel free to browse the full papers, I am providing you with the references and abstracts underneath.
I also wanna rule out your another sarcastic comment "EVEN IT IS AN INDIAN JOURNALS" that simply implies you concern underestimating our NATIONAL JOURNALS,,,which is totally a BIASED, UNETHICAL and HISHONERABLE statement and even if its true for an instance, I would blame this on DOCTORS and RESEARCHERS like you and me.....a talented doctor must think 100 time before publishing his significant research in non-Indian journals but must think 10000 times over and over again before condemning or commenting on national esteem. It requires a lot of courage to successfully run and publish a single journal, not only in terms of funds and infrastructure involved but also in collecting a truthful scientific manuscript, unbiased referencing and high brain referees to approve it....and we are not way far-off from any of these....

                Probably this wouldn´t come as a surprise to you, but being a non medical professional its really "hitting eye of the bird" for me to thrash out this issue w.r.t. more meaningful technical discussions and conclusion, nevertheless I am amazed to read your statements where you seeking printed evidences for the civic pride, without even doing this by yourself prior to sending in the group... so I hereby feel that your statements like "Ayurveda is waste of time" etc. are totally biased and moreover could itself be considered as self ammusing anecdote but NEVER the AYURVEDA ...

Here below are some of the abstract and references of a few journals published in last 4-5 years, for your kind feed back....
1. Ayurvedic medicine and arthritis
Chopra A, Rheumatic diseases clinics of North America, Volume 26, Issue 1, Pages 133-44,
Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW), 2000, Reference Number 22, ISSN: 0889-857X, Journal Code: 8708093, United States
The fundamental principles of Ayurveda are briefly reviewed. The ancient classification of arthritis is described along with the comparisons to the modern system. Though the diagnosis is historical and clinical, it is based on the tridosha hypothesis. The Ayurvedic pathogenesis links arthritis to the gut. Management chiefly consists of diet and lifestyle changes, the panchkarma process, and herbal drugs. The rasayana concept of immunomodulation is introduced. Clinical ethno-validation of the ancient therapy is necessary to meet the modern requirements and set up an interface with modern medicine.

2. Immunomodulatory activity of Semecarpus anacardium extract in mononuclear cells of normal individuals and rheumatoid arthritis patients
Singh Divya; Aggarwal Amita; Mathias Amrita; Naik Sita, Journal of ethnopharmacology, Volume 108, Issue 3, Pages 398-406 Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); (RESEARCH SUPPORT, NON-U.S. GOV'T), 2006, ISSN: 0378-8741, Journal Code: 7903310, Ireland.
Semecarpus anacardium (SA) Linn. (family Anacardiaceae) , is a plant well-known for its medicinal value in Ayurveda. The nut extracts of this plant have been traditionally used as antihelminthic, anti-fungal, anti-carcinogenic and in the treatment of nervous debilities and arthritis. In this study we have evaluated crude ethanolic extract of SA nuts for its anti-inflammatory activities in vitro using peripheral blood and synovial fluid mononuclear cells of healthy individuals and rheumatoid arthritis (RA) patients. SA extract inhibited the spontaneous and LPS induced production of proinflammatory cytokines IL-1beta and IL-12p40 but had no effect on TNF-alpha and IL-6 production, both at protein and mRNA level. The crude extract also suppressed LPS induced nuclear translocation of transcription factors, NF-kappaB and AP-1; the inhibition of NF-kappaB was through the inhibition of IkappaBalpha phosphorylation. The extract also suppressed LPS
activated nitric oxide production in mouse macrophage cell line, RAW 264.7. Our results for the first time show that SA extract can inhibit proinflammatory cytokine production and demonstrate its mechanism of action.

3. Antioxidant approach to disease management and the role of 'Rasayana' herbs of Ayurveda
Govindarajan R; Vijayakumar M; Pushpangadan P , Journal of ethnopharmacology, Volume 99, Issue 2, Pages 165-78, Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW) 2005, Reference Number 112, ISSN: 0378-8741, Journal Code: 7903310, Ireland.
The disease preventive and health promotive approach of 'Ayurveda', which takes into consideration the whole body, mind and spirit while dealing with the maintenance of health, promotion of health and treating ailments is holistic and finds increasing acceptability in many regions of the world. Ancient Ayurvedic physicians had developed certain dietary and therapeutic measures to arrest/delay ageing and rejuvenating whole functional dynamics of the body system. This revitalization and rejuvenation is known as the 'Rasayan chikitsa' (rejuvenation therapy). Traditionally, Rasayana drugs are used against a plethora of seemingly diverse disorders with no pathophysiological connections according to modern medicine. Though, this group of plants generally possesses strong antioxidant activity, only a few have been investigated in detail. Over about 100 disorders like rheumatoid arthritis, hemorrhagic shock, CVS disorders, cystic fibrosis, metabolic
disorders, neurodegenerative diseases, gastrointestinal ulcerogenesis and AIDS have been reported as reactive oxygen species mediated. In this review, the role of free radicals in these diseases has been briefly reviewed. 'Rasayana' plants with potent antioxidant activity have been reviewed for their traditional uses, and mechanism of antioxidant action. Fifteen such plants have been dealt with in detail and some more plants with less work have also been reviewed briefly.

4. Ayurvedic medicine. Core concept, therapeutic principles, and current relevance
Chopra Arvind; Doiphode Vijay V, The Medical clinics of North America, Volume 86, Issue 1, Pages 75-89, vii Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW), 2002, Reference Number 37, ISSN: 0025-7125, Journal Code: 2985236R, United States
In the prebiblical Ayurvedic origins, every creation inclusive of a human being is a model of the universe. In this model, the basic matter and the dynamic forces (Dosha) of the nature determine health and disease, and the medicinal value of any substance (plant and mineral). The Ayurvedic practices (chiefly that of diet, life style, and the Panchkarama) aim to maintain the Dosha equilibrium. Despite a holistic approach aimed to cure disease, therapy is customized to the individual's constitution (Prakruti). Numerous Ayurvedic medicines (plant derived in particular) have been tested for their biological (especially immunomodulation) and clinical potential using modern ethnovalidation, and thereby setting an interface with modern medicine. To understand Ayurvedic medicine, it would be necessary to first understand the origin, basic concept and principles of Ayurveda.

5 . Traditional Indian systems of medicine
Lodha R; Bagga A , Annals of the Academy of Medicine, Singapore, Volume 29, Issue 1, Pages 37-41, Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW), 2000, Reference Number 52, ISSN: 0304-4602, Journal Code: 7503289, Singapore
INTRODUCTION: A number of traditional systems of medicine exist in India of which Ayurveda is the most popular. Despite being in use for more than 3000 years, few properly designed trials have scientifically examined the clinical potential of Ayurvedic and other medications. METHODS: We reviewed the MEDLINE database to identify clinical trials conducted using traditional Indian medicines. Single case reports were excluded. RESULTS: Ayurvedic preparations have been successfully used for the treatment of bronchial asthma, ischaemic heart disease and hyperlipidaemia. Formulations containing curcumin were reported to reduce inflammation and disability in double-blind clinical trials on patients with rheumatoid arthritis. A number of products are reported to be useful in patients with acute viral hepatitis. A multicentric study by the Indian Council of Medical Research showed that a preparation from Pterocarpus marsupium was effective in
reducing levels of blood glucose and glycosylated haemoglobin in patients with non-insulin- dependent diabetes mellitus. In another multicentric trial, patients with fistula-in-ano were randomised to surgery or application of medicated seton (Ksharsootra) . Surgical treatment led to a faster cure but recurrence rates were lower with medicated seton. Administration of extract from Bacopa monnieri, to children with mental retardation, was reported to significantly improve short-term and long-term memory.

6. Withaferin A is a potent inhibitor of angiogenesis
Mohan, Royce; Hammers, Hans; Bargagna-mohan, Paola; Zhan, Xiaoguo; Herbstritt, Christopher; Ruiz, Antonio; Zhang, Li; Hanson, Art; Conner, Barry; Rougas, John; Pribluda, Victor
The medicinal plant Withania somnifera is widely researched for its anti-inflammatory, cardioactive and central nervous system effects. In Ayurveda, the major Traditional Indian medicine system, exts. from W. somnifera are distinctively employed for the treatment of arthritis and menstrual disorders. Because these conditions involve angiogenic processes we hypothesized that the W. somnifera exts. might contain angiogenesis inhibitors. We employed an endothelial cell-sprouting assay to monitor the purifn. of substances from W. somnifera root exts. and isolated as the active principle the previously known natural product withaferin A. We show that withaferin A inhibits human umbilical vein endothelial cell (HUVEC) sprouting in three-dimensional collagen-I matrix at doses which are relevant to NF-kappa B-inhibitory activity. Withaferin A inhibits cell proliferation in HUVECs (IC50=12 nM) at doses that are significantly lower than those required for
tumor cell lines through a process assocd. with inhibition of cyclin D1 expression. We propose that the inhibition of NF-kappa B by withaferin A in HUVECs occurs by interference with the ubiquitin-mediated proteasome pathway as suggested by the increased levels of poly-ubiquitinated proteins. Finally, withaferin A is shown to exert potent anti-angiogenic activity in vivo at doses that are 500-fold lower than those previously reported to exert anti-tumor activity in vivo. In conclusion, our findings identify a novel mode of action of withaferin A, which highlights the potential use of this natural product for cancer treatment or prevention.
7. Shilajit: an amazing rejuvenator and anti-aging drug

By Chaturvedi, S. P.; Korde, Bhushan K.; Kumar, Vimal, From Pharma, Review (2007), 5(30), 101-104. Language: English, Database: CAPLUS.
In Sanskrit the literal meaning of Shilajit is "Rock Like" - the power to make our body like a rock, it has unmatched powers of arresting and reversing the aging process. In Ayurveda, Shilajit is one of most potent and unique rejuvenators and conqueror of mountains and destroyer of weakness. Shilajit has been used historically for general phys. strengthening, anti-aging, blood sugar stabilization, libido, injury healing, urinary tract rejuvenation, enhanced brain functioning potency, bone healing, kidney rejuvenation, immune system strengthening, arthritis, hypertension, obesity.

Sorry If I sound rude at places....i apologize for any unethical, wrong or incomplete statements I have brought up here. Dear Dr. I personally respect your profession and no where by any mean I challenge your qualifications, expertise and eligibility to discuss on Ayurveda....please take my views with positive spirit and discuss openly henceforth.... and I am not personally intended in hurting anyone's personal dignity... hope you would understand my perspective as I respect and favor all short of different remedies and solutions available worldwide to cure life threatening syndromes,. Thanking you all with a hope, whoever is reading this would not get hurt by any unknown uncouth words used to support my personal opinion. Finally, I am ready to press the full stop here : ) .

Best Wishes and Regards

Tumar Dagaru

Sanjupahari

SANJUPAHARI >> A THETH PAHARI GUY >>>>>>>
JAI PAHAD > > > JAI GOLU < < < JAI BADRIVISHAL

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, praful negi <prafulnegi@gmail. com> wrote:

From: praful negi <prafulnegi@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!! [1 Attachment]
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 11:13 AM

PLEASE CHECK THE PPT ..........ITS INSPIRING... ....

On 7/22/09, r joshi <drrkjoshi@yahoo. com> wrote:

deep
i don't know what your qualifications are to call my statements immature!!(may be you are an authority in Ayurveda)
working for health services as medical consultant in an hospital in England the only thing which will impress me about the Ayurveda is the evidence-not the anecdotes
i would be grateful if you could provide me with the evidence in a leading journal about Ayurveda in ankolysing spondilits (even if it is an Indian journal)
i bet even this condition is not known in Ayurveda and classified under common back problems!!
not that i am anti -Ayurveda-it works  in constipation, but rest of the major conditions it is waste of time!!
ravi

From: deep uprety <uprety_deep@ yahoo.co. in>
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 5:40:41

Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!

Namaskar
I had been thinking to write some comments on this topic In this regard. I wish to say that we have not actually tried to actually understand what kind of help is sought by Mr Rawat, in spite of this we have started condemning Ayurvedic System of Medicine , which had matured itself with time. Problem of heavy metals may be due to poor quality control as happened in case of Basmati Patent and unrestricted unchecked exports or it may be a propaganda of American FDA with a fear that if Ayurvedic Medicines of proper quality is manufactured in USA english system will be washed off. Vision of Dr Ravi seems to be immature and biased because he never tried or studied Ayurvedic. There is no end to unwanted discussions but the Best thing is to find way how we can help Mr Rawat. I would appreciate if we discuss this in future and mobilise help actually sought by him.
Thanks
Deep Uprety
Pune

--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Anita Dubey <anitadubey1@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Anita Dubey <anitadubey1@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 21 July, 2009, 11:58 PM

Hello Nitin,
After reading your last email, I was disappointed to see a loser's attitude in you despite the fact that you have graduated from such a fine institute.

It does not matter that you missed out on your GRE & TOEFL tests for this year. You can always take them now or whenever it can be taken in India.
If I were you I would take it as an opportunity to do better in tests and afterwards take up some temporary job in order to have some funds available for immediate expenses for your travel to a US university since it will take two or so weeks time before you start getting your scholarship money. Donot worry it is not like in India where things get unnecessarily delayed. Here if somebody promises you that it'll take two weeks for your job to be taken care of then it will be done in less than two weeks.
So get started and take GRE and TOEFL for your bright future and offcourse for your health as well.
You were mentioning that you cannot swim in India due to the fear of infection but here you can swim in any swimming pool in any part of city and you will never have any problems. I was surprised to hear that a populated city like Delhi has water for the swimming pool when citizens are facing huge scarcity of potable water.
Anyways you will do a big favor to yourself and your family if you go for masters in US, especially when you know that chances of you getting admission here with full scholarship are almost 100%.
So take the big step if you really want to do your PARENTS proud, who toiled hard to make sure that your education was taken care of in the best possible way.
I THINK THIS MUCH YOU OWE IT TO THEM TO MUCH MORE AHEAD IN YOUR LIFE AND GIVE A BOOST TO YOUR NEXT GENERATION AND YOUR FAMILY STATUS.
May the goodness prevail upon you,
Anita dubey

Anita Dubey

--- On Tue, 7/14/09, r joshi <drrkjoshi@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: r joshi <drrkjoshi@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 5:16 AM

i will still disagree
ayurvedic medications the way they are made now,contain heavy metals
and several have been banned in US by FDA
so always be careful-the biggest problem is you do not know what you are taking
as there is no chemical analysis of these medications and there are no studies regarding side effects
working in united kingdom as a doctor i often see Indian patients having problems/side effects after taking these medications
so i will disagree that these medications dont have side effects-after all plants contain chemicals-datura one of the plant commonly used in some of the traditional medications has atropine,fox glove was widely used rather unsafely for heart failure as it contains digoxine which when used in higher dose can kill you!!
regards
ravi

From: sanjupahari <sanjupahari@ yahoo.com>
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 15:28:26
Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!

Oppss...seems i was in a different world, sorry Nitin, it was for you...by mistake I addressed you as Ravi, don't mind please.

Regards and Best Wishes
Sanjupahari

SANJUPAHARI >> A THETH PAHARI GUY >>>>>>>
JAI PAHAD > > > JAI GOLU < < < JAI BADRIVISHAL

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, sanjupahari <sanjupahari@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: sanjupahari <sanjupahari@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 10:18 AM

HI Ravi ,

Hope you doing great out there, m here to add a little on what Anita Ji already said. I would also strongly suggest you to go for the higher studies; you would have a better opportunity in terms of not only to sharpen your expertise and ability to grow in ME but at the same time a better treatment alternative for your spinal problem.

Sorry to contradict on, but Ayurvedic medicines work equally well sometime, moreover there isn't any side effect involved so hope is always on!!!!!. However light yoga, swimming etc along with what Anita ji already suggested are equally good..nonetheless going for a better treatment in the hands of real experts should be the best opinion indeed.

  I myself is an IITD alumni and presently working in New York . I would be more than happy if anything can be done from my end.

   Just to add a little more at the end, you had graduated from an institute where it should be rare that someone suggest or recommend you on these decisive matters, specially the career front,,,we are here just to shade some light on a few possibilities that could be floating around to match your interest, so please don't take these as granted, you are among the best product of our country do what you feel is the bestest :) , but we are always here to join hands in more realistic ways.

Please, do let me know if you still wanna work within India (it´s always proud indeed), I might have a few recommendations for you.

Tumar Dagaru

Sanjupahari

Dr. Shailesh Upreti

Binghamton, New York



SANJUPAHARI >> A THETH PAHARI GUY >>>>>>>
JAI PAHAD > > > JAI GOLU < < < JAI BADRIVISHAL

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Anita Dubey <anitadubey1@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Anita Dubey <anitadubey1@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 2:29 AM

I was also wondering how can so called Ayurvedic medicine help take care of your spondylitis. Your prognosis should involve simple nonsteroidal pain killers and supervised excercises like swimming and other yoga excercises which avoid jarring impact of the spine.

Anita Dubey

--- On Thu, 7/9/09, r joshi <drrkjoshi@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: r joshi <drrkjoshi@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 5:56 AM

i would sugget you to see a good rhuematologist
as being a doctor myself i think ayrvedic medications are waste of time
ravi

From: Nitin Rawat <nitin.rawat. iitd@gmail. com>
To: paurigarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, 9 July, 2009 9:15:02
Subject: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!

Hi,

I must tell why I have not taken any jobs till now despite of my degree from IIT.

Probably the main factor is the ailment that I have been suffering
from, ankylosing spondylitis. It is a kind of arthiritis of
spine.Since last 8 months this ailment has been affecting my quality
of life. It is still in in its early stage and I am taking ayurvedic
medicines to bring it under control.So nothing serious to worry about.
But my body language has become similar to that of my 70 year old
grandma.

So I thought I must wait for sometime till the ailment is cured completly because recruiters, at the time of interview, maybe become
skeptical about my ability to cope up with whatever work they would
throw at me.

So, if anyone has any suggestions/ advice regarding what kind of job I
should look for or anything regarding my ailment, they are welcome.

Always a fighter.
--
Nitin Rawat
Indian Institute of Technology Delhi
Mechanical Engg.
Contact No. - 9868270602

PS:
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11b.: Re: Ayurveda: an Anecdote or a National Legacy

Posted by: "CPrakashKala" cpkala@rediffmail.com

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:51 pm (PDT)

Dear friends,
Namaskar,
I have been reading your discussions for last couple of days on the effectiveness of the Ayurvedic system of medicine. I have been a consultant with the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare, Govt of India. This Ministry has a separate Department, the Deptt. of AYUSH, which deals with Ayurveda and other traditional systems of medicine. A lot of research has been done in the past and still going on the quality control, efficacy etc of the medicinal plants species. We have Indian Pharmacopoeia, which contains very useful and tested information. Recently, I was in Slovenia and the people from the European countries were just running after the Ayurveda. Almost each scientist participated in one of the meetings was talking about the Himalayan medicinal plants, their properties and efficacy of Ayurveda. Last year I was in a conference in Pennsylvania and the participants were very much willing to adopt the herbal medicinal system, because of several factors. The National Medicinal Plants Board has funded billions of Rs. to the institutions across the country for cultivation and conservation of medicinal plants, and so far 1,40,000 ha of land has been brought under medicinal plants cultivation. The Dabur, and other pharmaceutical companies are preparing number of Ayurvedic preparation, which are very much tested. There are hundreds of examples of successful stories of Ayruveda. This system still persists even after subjugation for centuries by the different rulers in this country. One should go through the records and findings of WHO which says that 80% of people still rely on traditional system of medicine, and Ayurveda is one of the leading medicinal systems. I personally feel that we should only condemn any system of medicine, whether it is traditional or modern, once we have sufficient knowledge and awareness on the same. The knowledge in bits and pieces may not lead to anywhere, and as we know â€˜little knowledge is a dangerous thingâ€™.
I am sorry if my views hurt the feeling of someone, but I still feel that we should not jump to any conclusion without knowing the fact and figures.
I shall be away on tour for next couple of weeks and will definitely response if there will be is any query.

Regards,

Chandra Prakash Kala

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:21:25 +0530 wrote
>sanju pahari
>you seem to be a confused lot to me?
>while you tried to stir a religious issue to Ayurveda like an Indian politician- let me make it clear that a true doctor,vaidya or any physician should be above religion and should treat his or her patients as human beings
>as for hinduatva i am very a proud Hindu,(though citizen of UK and living amid Christian faith and influence) -and yes i have read Vedas-the English translation as unfortunately my Sanskrit is not good!!-in fact i am still reading it and some of the teachings like animal sacrifice etc -i do not agree with!!
>still i try to convince my white friends here about teachings of Vedas and greatness of Hindu religion whenever the opportunity strikes.
>regarding your evidence on Ayurveda i am sorry to say what you have provided is nothing more than stories-i hate to call them review articles!!-as they are not based on multi centred double blind trials or any good data
>in fact if you look closely one of your own article reflects your confusion---please see this conclusion of one of article you have provided which speaks for it self??--
>
> CONCLUSIONS: Evidence-based studies on the efficacy and safety of traditional Indian medicines are limited. Â The essential ingredient in most formulations is not precisely defined. Â High quality studies are necessary to evaluate and compare the value of traditional Indian drugs to modern medicine.
>
>i am also enclosing following form wikepedia -though i agree that what ever is said in wikepedia may not always be true/peer reviewed -though it does have references for cross checking--
>
>Safety
>Major safety concerns include adulteration of herbal medicines with toxic metals, and intrinsic toxicity of herbal medications. Some traditional Ayurvedic treatments use toxic metals, herbs, and mineralsas part of their remedies. Rasa Shastra, the practice of adding metals, minerals or gems to herbs, increases the likelihood of toxic metals such as lead, mercury, or arsenic in the remedy.[66]
>A 2004 study found toxic heavy metals such as lead, mercuryand arsenicin 20% of Ayurvedic preparations that were made in South Asia for sale around Boston and extrapolated the data to America. It concluded that excess consumption of these products could cause health risks.[67] A 2008 study found that approximately 20% of remedies (and 40% of rasa shastra medicines) purchased over the internet from both US and Indian suppliers were contaminated with toxic metals.[66]
>Traditionally the toxicity of these materials are believed to be reduced through processes such as samskarasor shodhanas (for metals), which is similar to the Chinese pao zhi, although the Ayurvedic technique is more complex and may involve prayers as well as physical pharmacy techniques.[68] Rigorous evidence that the metals may be rendered nontoxic is not available, and case reports describe adverse effects to these metals.[66]
>There is evidence that using some Ayurvedic medicines, especially those involving herbs, metals, minerals, or other materials involves potentially serious risks, including toxicity.[52][69] Adverse reactions to herbs due their pharmacology are described in traditional Ayurveda texts, but Ayurvedic practitioners are reluctant to admit that herbs could be toxic and the reliable information on herbal toxicity is not easily available.[70]
>Following concerns about metal toxicity, the Government of India ruled that Ayurvedic products must specify their metallic content directly on the labels of the product.[71] The harmful effects of the samples is attributed in part to the adulterated raw material and lack of workers trained in traditional medicine.[72] In a letter to the Indian Academy of Sciences, director of the Interdisciplinary School of Health Sciences, University of PunePatwardhan Bhushan stated that the metal adulteration is due to contamination and carelessness during the much faster modern manufacturing processes, and does not occur with traditional methods of preparation.[73] Publication of the levels of contamination found in the products has resulted in decline of Ayurveda in India as well as abroad.[72]
>
>
>Being a medical doctor -both me and my wife,who predominately works with south asian Indian population have seen several side effects of Ayurveda medicines/herbal medicines in past several years with some time fatal results.So the notion that ayurvedic medicines have no side effect is completely untrue and a rather dangerous statement to say a least.
>
>you are also confused between herbal source of medicines and ayurveda-while ayurveda is a traditional Indian way of medicines but unfortunately over the period of time due to lake of patronage and proper studies has been limited to tridosa-the wat,cough and pitta without much modern understandings of human body and diseases.in fact all the ayurvedic institutes which proudly produce ayurvedic vaidyas in india-who quickly prefix their names with dr. soon after coming out of these institute;teach allopathic system of pathology and anatomy rather than the old style traditional way!!-and surprisingly these doctors once out also start practising allopathic system for a quick fix.
>
>as for herbal sources they have been used in all forms of traditional medicine for several centuries in different cultures-even in western medicines -for example digoxin is an alkaloid found in fox glove and quinine comes from bark of cinchona.Aspirin the most widely used drug in whole world comes from willow bark and has been used by some tribals for centuries-but then it does not make them ayurvedic medications (these all drugs are active ingredients of these sources and now synthesised artificially rather than from natural sources)-in fact quite often some animals mainly primates eat barks of some tree and some time I wonder they know more than us about ayurveda.
>biggest problem about the the ayurveda is lack of knowledge about the active ingredients in several medications and lack of knowledge how does it work -if it does? and persistent ignorance about the "side effects"
>your comment about curcumin in turmeric is worth mentioning -western researcher are looking into it in a systematic way for last few years and i am proud to say that my university here is currently doing a big research-initial results are favourable and it seems it does prevent colorectal cancer but there is a caveat-initial results show that we need about 100 mgs/day though usual curry contains about 1-2 mgs-so we need loads of turmeric every day-any it is our way of cuisine and as you all will agree nothing to do with ayurveda in general.
>
>modern medicines like allopathic system though not a panacea for all the ailments works around logic and hard core evidence-the data;all the new drugs are researched -have first animal trials and then three phase trials on humans for safety and efficacy-billions of dollars are spent and then only handful of drugs go through the strict safety net-still we see lot of side effects
>unfortunately this tight regulation and heavy expenses also put up the prices of final product which makes these drugs some time out of reach of poor people.
>
>though charak gets mention in our western books(and he was great surgeon) but subsequent lack of development in the area of surgery should be i think final nail in the coffin of Ayurveda.
>unless modern vaidyas in india put their house in order and produce hard core evidence it will be an uphill task for you to convince people like me and several other western and Indian scholars about ayurveda.
>
>rudness in not in my culture and i will leave it to our learned forum members to decide who has been rude all through after a quick glance on all the mails!!
>regards
>ravi
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: sanjupahari
>To: PauriGarhwal@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, 27 July, 2009 19:49:00
>Subject: Re: [PGG] Ayurveda: an Anecdote or a National Legacy
>
> Â
>Dear group members Namaskar,
>
>Ravi ji, In vein of the same stream I have been thinking over this since you first replied back on this subject. However, didnt want to deviate from the main stream discussion, but your repeated sarcastic statements on Ayurveda followed by Indian Journals had made me introspect a bit in my limited brain boundaries,, ,Â please feel free to correct me whatsoever you find it inappropriate and illogical henceforth .I also feel the discussion was going out of the brook so I changed the subject line with an aim to welcome more precise yet comprehensive approaches in terms of multi-brain involvement and interest.
>
>As the question was raised off the beam, m here with handful references on WELL WRITTEN, RECENTLY published GOOD IMPACT FACTOR-HIGH CITATION and PEERLY REVIWED journals not only to support my previous statement Ayurveda works equally well SOMETIME but also to have vis-a-vis on your curiosity to read concrete and published results and ofcourse to contradict "its waste of time".
>
>Before I begin, I just wish to share something on emotional ground first, please be cautious of condemning ethnic values!!!! having been coevolved with life natural products are billions of years old, in India Ayurveda is suppose to have 3000 years old history....how could it be "WASTE OF TIME". Dear friend I dont know being HINDU how deep you are in to the study, adoption and respect to VEDAS but the verses of Ayurveda are included in ATHARVAVEDA, which simply implies that the Ayurveda is as old as the Vedas. Presently it is in daily use by millions of people in India ,Â Nepal and Sri Lanka ,Â hope not all are WASTING THEIR TIME. On top of it, Unani, Chinese and Tibetan Medicine had been drastically influenced by Ayurveda. Its nothing but our misfortune that Chinese people turned out to be more cleavers and keep patenting the outcomes very fast (Ref: http://www.freshpat ents.com/ Herbal-formulati ons-for-arthriti s-dt20060525ptan 20060110468.
> php).On the other hand our own people with no supportive spirit are just reproving these ancient facts.. The relevance and significance of Ayurveda lies in the fact that tens of thousands of medicines have been produced as secondary metabolites by the higher plants as a natural defense against disease and infection since years.natural surprises are way beyond our heads sometime.any way m leaving this untouched for an instance
>
>Now as the written facts can please you more, I would request you to read this article Curcumin as Curecumin: From kitchen to clinic, where the relevance of HALDI (Curcuma Longa) in curing the cancer is well discussed with clinical proofs. Â Prof. Bharat B. Aggarwal at el. (from Cytokine Research Laboratory, Departments of Experimental Therapeutics, The University of Texas, Houston, TX, United States) in 2007 stated, The Indian system of holistic medicine known as Ayurveda uses plant-based drugs or formulations to treat various ailments includingcancer (I think, cancer is much complicated than KABZ or Constipation :Â ) ). Of the approximately 877 small molecule drugs introduced worldwide between 1981 and 2002, most (61%) can be traced back to their origins in natural products. (Ref: b i o ch e m i c a l pharmacology, 7 5 ( 2 0 0 8 ) 7 8 7 8 0 9.) Â
>
>From your statements, one should have never inferred the things other way around,,,but sorry to say, I did,,,,,being an extravagantly straight towards the ethnic values I find this mail worth sharing my resentment and pain specially when one of our own countrymen reviles the revealed facts of Ayurveda. Frankly speaking, neither you nor any one around the globe, be it FDA or USFDA or anyone else, has any privileges to condemn our ethnic legacy, it includes Ayurveda indeed....the rejection from FDA is thier ill fortune not Ayurvedas'.. . Â So please forgive me as I could not shut my mouth up while reading your sarcastic comments on our ancient asset.not only that, your another sarcastic remark AYURVEDA has only been favorable for KABZ did niothing but further increased my antipathy,,, Dear Dr. plz browse the web more sincerely, precisely and unbiased-ly to know lil more on the contemporary Ayurveda research...things have been altering much
> faster than what one could have ever think of, and more than much-more experimental results have successfully been published around the globe for couple of past decades. I personally believe, Ayurvedic science has already been augmenting to its triumph and after supplementary clinical trials there would eventually be a time soon for the Ayurveda and Herbal medicines to flourish .
>Had everyone synchronized their beliefs your way, probably the term reverse pharmacology would have never evolved and we would have never been able to cure critical disease like cancer using Ayurvedic reverse pharmacology. (Ref: [a] Cho JW, Lee KS, Kim CW. Curcumin attenuates the expression of IL-1beta, IL-6, and TNF-alpha as well as cyclin E in TNF-alpha-treated HaCaT cells; NF-kappaB and MAPKs as potential upstream targets. Int J Mol Med 2007;19:46974 and Â [b] Aggarwal S, Ichikawa H, Takada Y, Sandur SK, Shishodia S, Aggarwal BB. Curcumin (diferuloylmethane) downregulates expression of cell proliferation and antiapoptotic and metastatic gene products through suppression of IkappaBalpha kinase and Akt activation. Mol Pharmacol 2006;69:195206.).
> As far as heavy metals chemistry is concerned, Â its pretty unusual to menot all but a few like aluminum, cadmium, lead and mercury, are found be carcinogenic or hazardousmoreover other viz; arsenic, copper, iron and nickel are thought to be essential for the body at low concentrations.on the other hand, even a little intake of light metal like beryllium could comparatively be more dangerous.Interestingly, it has been known for decades that the selenium (a heavy metal) is vitally protective against mercury and also has a powerful anti-cancer benefit. When the daily intake is 100 microgrammes or more (200 mcg. is better), the risk of cancer from all sources drops dramatically( Ref: Karam El-Bayoumy, The protective role of seleniumon genetic damage and on cancer, Mutation Research/Fundamenta l and Molecular Mechanisms of MutagenesisVolume 475, Issues 1-2, 18 April 2001, Pages 123-139).. So this problem could be concentration and element
> specific but not the molecular weightlist is long...and clinical trials are suppose to be the best ways to unwrap the truth.therein our Ayurveda had taken a long (around 3000 years) on wide range clinical trials revealing many facts open by and large on human and animals of course.
>
>I also feel sorry to say that I have a list of around 654 research papersright on my screen appeared immediately after a SCI-FINDER scan run to study AYURVEDA exclusively on ankylosing spondylitis, rheumatoid spondylitis, Marie-Strumpell diseaseand various forms of Arthritis, unfortunately i can't share them all here on group (because of heavy size). I hope, being in UK based hospital you must possess a better access to majority of the online medical journals, however I still wish to share a little of what I could using my limited privileges., ,please feel free to browse the full papers, I am providing you with the references and abstracts underneath.
>I also wanna rule out your another sarcastic comment EVEN IT IS AN INDIAN JOURNALS that simply implies you concern underestimating our NATIONAL JOURNALS,,,which is totally a BIASED, UNETHICAL and HISHONERABLE statement and even if its true for an instance, I would blame this on DOCTORS and RESEARCHERS like you and me..a talented doctor must think 100 time before publishing his significant research in non-Indian journals but must think 10000 times over and over again before condemning or commenting on national esteem. Â It requires a lot of courage to successfully run and publish a single journal, not only in terms of funds and infrastructure involved but also in collecting a truthful scientific manuscript, unbiased referencing and high brain referees to approve it.and we are not way far-off from any of these.
>
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Probably this wouldnt come as a surprise to you, but being a non medical professional its really hitting eye of the bird for me to thrash out this issue w.r.t. more meaningful technical discussions and conclusion, nevertheless I am amazed to read your statements where you seeking printed evidences for the civic pride, without even doing this by yourself prior to sending in the group so I hereby feel that your statements like Ayurveda is waste of time etc. are totally biased and moreover could itself be considered as self ammusing anecdote but NEVER the AYURVEDA
>
>Here below are some of the abstract and references of a few journals published in last 4-5 years, for your kind feed back....
>1. Ayurvedic medicine and arthritis
>Chopra A, Rheumatic diseases clinics of North America, Volume 26, Issue 1, Pages 133-44,
>Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW), 2000, Reference Number 22, ISSN: 0889-857X, Journal Code: 8708093, United States
>The fundamental principles of Ayurveda are briefly reviewed. Â The ancient classification of arthritis is described along with the comparisons to the modern system. Â Though the diagnosis is historical and clinical, it is based on the tridosha hypothesis. Â The Ayurvedic pathogenesis links arthritis to the gut. Â Management chiefly consists of diet and lifestyle changes, the panchkarma process, and herbal drugs. Â The rasayana concept of immunomodulation is introduced. Â Clinical ethno-validation of the ancient therapy is necessary to meet the modern requirements and set up an interface with modern medicine.
>
>2. Immunomodulatory activity of Semecarpus anacardium extract in mononuclear cells of normal individuals and rheumatoid arthritis patients
>Singh Divya; Aggarwal Amita; Mathias Amrita; Naik Sita, Journal of ethnopharmacology, Volume 108, Issue 3, Pages 398-406 Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); (RESEARCH SUPPORT, NON-U.S. GOV'T), 2006, ISSN: 0378-8741, Journal Code: 7903310, Ireland.
>Semecarpus anacardium (SA) Linn. (family Anacardiaceae) ,Â is a plant well-known for its medicinal value in Ayurveda. Â The nut extracts of this plant have been traditionally used as antihelminthic, anti-fungal, anti-carcinogenic and in the treatment of nervous debilities and arthritis. Â In this study we have evaluated crude ethanolic extract of SA nuts for its anti-inflammatory activities in vitro using peripheral blood and synovial fluid mononuclear cells of healthy individuals and rheumatoid arthritis (RA) patients. Â SA extract inhibited the spontaneous and LPS induced production of proinflammatory cytokines IL-1beta and IL-12p40 but had no effect on TNF-alpha and IL-6 production, both at protein and mRNA level. Â The crude extract also suppressed LPS induced nuclear translocation of transcription factors, NF-kappaB and AP-1; the inhibition of NF-kappaB was through the inhibition of IkappaBalpha phosphorylation. Â The extract also suppressed LPS
> activated nitric oxide production in mouse macrophage cell line, RAW 264.7. Â Our results for the first time show that SA extract can inhibit proinflammatory cytokine production and demonstrate its mechanism of action.
>
>3. Antioxidant approach to disease management and the role of 'Rasayana' herbs of Ayurveda
>Govindarajan R; Vijayakumar M; Pushpangadan P ,Â Journal of ethnopharmacology, Volume 99, Issue 2, Pages 165-78, Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW) 2005, Reference Number 112, ISSN: 0378-8741, Journal Code: 7903310, Ireland.
>The disease preventive and health promotive approach of 'Ayurveda', which takes into consideration the whole body, mind and spirit while dealing with the maintenance of health, promotion of health and treating ailments is holistic and finds increasing acceptability in many regions of the world. Â Ancient Ayurvedic physicians had developed certain dietary and therapeutic measures to arrest/delay ageing and rejuvenating whole functional dynamics of the body system. Â This revitalization and rejuvenation is known as the 'Rasayan chikitsa' (rejuvenation therapy). Â Traditionally, Rasayana drugs are used against a plethora of seemingly diverse disorders with no pathophysiological connections according to modern medicine. Â Though, this group of plants generally possesses strong antioxidant activity, only a few have been investigated in detail. Â Over about 100 disorders like rheumatoid arthritis, hemorrhagic shock, CVS disorders, cystic fibrosis, metabolic
> disorders, neurodegenerative diseases, gastrointestinal ulcerogenesis and AIDS have been reported as reactive oxygen species mediated. Â In this review, the role of free radicals in these diseases has been briefly reviewed. 'Rasayana' plants with potent antioxidant activity have been reviewed for their traditional uses, and mechanism of antioxidant action. Â Fifteen such plants have been dealt with in detail and some more plants with less work have also been reviewed briefly.
>
>4. Ayurvedic medicine. Core concept, therapeutic principles, and current relevance
>Chopra Arvind; Doiphode Vijay V, The Medical clinics of North America, Volume 86, Issue 1, Pages 75-89, vii Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW), 2002, Reference Number 37, ISSN: 0025-7125, Journal Code: 2985236R, United States
>In the prebiblical Ayurvedic origins, every creation inclusive of a human being is a model of the universe. Â In this model, the basic matter and the dynamic forces (Dosha) of the nature determine health and disease, and the medicinal value of any substance (plant and mineral). Â The Ayurvedic practices (chiefly that of diet, life style, and the Panchkarama) aim to maintain the Dosha equilibrium. Â Despite a holistic approach aimed to cure disease, therapy is customized to the individual's constitution (Prakruti). Â Numerous Ayurvedic medicines (plant derived in particular) have been tested for their biological (especially immunomodulation) and clinical potential using modern ethnovalidation, and thereby setting an interface with modern medicine. Â To understand Ayurvedic medicine, it would be necessary to first understand the origin, basic concept and principles of Ayurveda.
>
>5 . Traditional Indian systems of medicine
>Lodha R; Bagga A ,Â Annals of the Academy of Medicine, Singapore, Volume 29, Issue 1, Pages 37-41, Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW), 2000, Reference Number 52, ISSN: 0304-4602, Journal Code: 7503289, Singapore
>INTRODUCTION: A number of traditional systems of medicine exist in India of which Ayurveda is the most popular. Â Despite being in use for more than 3000 years, few properly designed trials have scientifically examined the clinical potential of Ayurvedic and other medications. Â METHODS: We reviewed the MEDLINE database to identify clinical trials conducted using traditional Indian medicines. Â Single case reports were excluded. Â RESULTS: Ayurvedic preparations have been successfully used for the treatment of bronchial asthma, ischaemic heart disease and hyperlipidaemia. Â Formulations containing curcumin were reported to reduce inflammation and disability in double-blind clinical trials on patients with rheumatoid arthritis. Â A number of products are reported to be useful in patients with acute viral hepatitis. Â A multicentric study by the Indian Council of Medical Research showed that a preparation from Pterocarpus marsupium was effective in
> reducing levels of blood glucose and glycosylated haemoglobin in patients with non-insulin- dependent diabetes mellitus. Â In another multicentric trial, patients with fistula-in-ano were randomised to surgery or application of medicated seton (Ksharsootra) . Â Surgical treatment led to a faster cure but recurrence rates were lower with medicated seton. Â Administration of extract from Bacopa monnieri, to children with mental retardation, was reported to significantly improve short-term and long-term memory. Â
>
>
>6. Withaferin A is a potent inhibitor of angiogenesis
>Mohan, Royce; Hammers, Hans; Bargagna-mohan, Paola; Zhan, Xiaoguo; Herbstritt, Christopher; Ruiz, Antonio; Zhang, Li; Hanson, Art; Conner, Barry; Rougas, John; Pribluda, Victor
>The medicinal plant Withania somnifera is widely researched for its anti-inflammatory, cardioactive and central nervous system effects. Â In Ayurveda, the major Traditional Indian medicine system, exts. from W. somnifera are distinctively employed for the treatment of arthritis and menstrual disorders. Â Because these conditions involve angiogenic processes we hypothesized that the W. somnifera exts. might contain angiogenesis inhibitors. Â We employed an endothelial cell-sprouting assay to monitor the purifn. of substances from W. somnifera root exts. and isolated as the active principle the previously known natural product withaferin A. We show that withaferin A inhibits human umbilical vein endothelial cell (HUVEC) sprouting in three-dimensional collagen-I matrix at doses which are relevant to NF-kappa B-inhibitory activity. Â Withaferin A inhibits cell proliferation in HUVECs (IC50=12 nM) at doses that are significantly lower than those required for
> tumor cell lines through a process assocd. with inhibition of cyclin D1 expression. Â We propose that the inhibition of NF-kappa B by withaferin A in HUVECs occurs by interference with the ubiquitin-mediated proteasome pathway as suggested by the increased levels of poly-ubiquitinated proteins. Â Finally, withaferin A is shown to exert potent anti-angiogenic activity in vivo at doses that are 500-fold lower than those previously reported to exert anti-tumor activity in vivo. Â In conclusion, our findings identify a novel mode of action of withaferin A, which highlights the potential use of this natural product for cancer treatment or prevention.
>7. Shilajit: an amazing rejuvenator and anti-aging drug
>
>By Chaturvedi, S. P.; Korde, Bhushan K.; Kumar, Vimal, From Pharma, Review (2007), Â 5(30), 101-104. Â Language: English, Database: CAPLUS. Â
>In Sanskrit the literal meaning of Shilajit is "Rock Like" - the power to make our body like a rock, it has unmatched powers of arresting and reversing the aging process. Â In Ayurveda, Shilajit is one of most potent and unique rejuvenators and conqueror of mountains and destroyer of weakness. Â Shilajit has been used historically for general phys. strengthening, anti-aging, blood sugar stabilization, libido, injury healing, urinary tract rejuvenation, enhanced brain functioning potency, bone healing, kidney rejuvenation, immune system strengthening, arthritis, hypertension, obesity.
>
>Sorry If I sound rude at places....i apologize for any unethical, wrong or incomplete statements I have brought up here. Dear Dr. I personally respect your profession and no where by any mean I challenge your qualifications, expertise and eligibility to discuss on Ayurveda.please take my views with positive spirit and discuss openly henceforth. and I am not personally intended in hurting anyone's personal dignity hope you would understand my perspective as I respect and favor all short of different remedies and solutions available worldwide to cure life threatening syndromes,. Thanking you all with a hope, whoever is reading this would not get hurt by any unknown uncouth words used to support my personal opinion. Finally, I am ready to press the full stop here :Â ) .
>
>
>Best Wishes and Regards
>
>Tumar Dagaru
>
>Sanjupahari
>
>
>SANJUPAHARI >> A THETH PAHARI GUY >>>>>>> Â
>JAI PAHAD > > > JAI GOLU < < < JAI BADRIVISHAL
>
>--- On Wed, 7/22/09, praful negi wrote:
>
>
>>From: praful negi
>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!! [1 Attachment]
>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
>>Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 11:13 AM
>>
>>
>> Â
>>PLEASE CHECK THE PPT ..........ITS INSPIRING... ....
>>
>>
>>On 7/22/09, r joshi wrote:
>> Â
>>>deep
>>>i don't know what your qualifications are to call my statements immature!!(may be you are an authority in Ayurveda)
>>>working for health services as medical consultant in an hospital in England the only thing which will impress me about the Ayurveda is the evidence-not the anecdotes
>>>i would be grateful if you could provide me with the evidence in a leading journal about Ayurveda in ankolysing spondilits (even if it is an Indian journal)
>>>i bet even this condition is not known in Ayurveda and classified under common back problems!!
>>>not that i am anti -Ayurveda-it Â works Â in constipation, but rest of the major conditions it is waste of time!! Â
>>> ravi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>________________________________
>From: deep uprety
>>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
>>>Sent: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 5:40:41
>>>
>>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Â
>>>Namaskar
>>>I had been thinking to write some comments on this topic In this regard. I wish to say that we have not actually tried to actually understand what kind of help is sought by Mr Rawat, in spite of this we have started condemning Ayurvedic System of Medicine ,Â which had matured itself with time. Problem of heavy metals may be due to poor quality control as happened in case of Basmati Patent and unrestricted unchecked exports or it may be a propaganda of American FDA with a fear that if Ayurvedic Medicines of proper quality is manufactured in USA english system will be washed off. Vision of Dr Ravi seems to be immature and biased because he never tried or studied Ayurvedic. There is no end to unwanted discussions but the Best thing is to find way how we can help Mr Rawat. I would appreciate if we discuss this in future and mobilise help actually sought by him.
>>>Thanks
>>>Deep Uprety
>>>Pune
>>>
>>>--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Anita Dubey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Anita Dubey
>>>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
>>>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
>>>>Date: Tuesday, 21 July, 2009, 11:58 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Â
>>>>Hello Nitin,
>>>>After reading your last email, I was disappointed to see a loser's attitude in you despite the fact that you have graduated from such a fine institute.
>>>>It does not matter that you missed out on your GRE & TOEFL tests for this year. You can always take them now or whenever it can be taken in India.
>>>>>If I were you I would take it as an opportunity to do better in tests and afterwards take up some temporary job in order to have some funds available for immediate expenses for your travel to a US university since it will take two or so weeks time before you start getting your scholarship money. Donot worry it is not like in India where things get unnecessarily delayed. Here if somebody promises you that it'll take two weeks for your job to be taken care of then it will be done in less than two weeks.
>>>>>So get started and take GRE and TOEFL for your bright future and offcourse for your health as well.
>>>>>You were mentioning that you cannot swim in India due to the fear of infection but here you can swim in any swimming pool in any part of city and you will never have any problems. I was surprised to hear that a populated city like Delhi has water for the swimming pool when citizens are facing huge scarcity of potable water.
>>>>>Anyways you will do a big favor to yourself and your family if you go for masters in US, especially when you know that chances of you getting admission here with full scholarship are almost 100%.
>>>>>So take the big step if you really want to do your PARENTS proud, who toiled hard to make sure that your education was taken care of in the best possible way.
>>>>>I THINK THIS MUCH YOU OWE IT TO THEM TO MUCH MORE AHEAD IN YOUR LIFE AND GIVE A BOOST TO YOUR NEXT GENERATION AND YOUR FAMILY STATUS.
>>>>>May the goodness prevail upon you,
>>>>>Anita dubey
>>>>>
>>>>>Anita Dubey
>>>>>
>>>>>--- On Tue, 7/14/09, r joshi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: r joshi
>>>>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
>>>>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
>>>>>Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 5:16 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>i will still disagree
>>>>>ayurvedic medications the way they are made now,contain heavy metals
>>>>>and several have been banned in US by FDA
>>>>>so always be careful-the biggest problem is you do not know what you are taking
>>>>>as there is no chemical analysis of these medications and there are no studies regarding side effects
>>>>>working in united kingdom as a doctor i often see Indian patients having problems/side effects after taking these medications
>>>>>so i will disagree that these medications dont have side effects-after all plants contain chemicals-datura one of the plant commonly used in some of the traditional medications has atropine,fox glove was widely used rather unsafely for heart failure as it contains digoxine which when used in higher dose can kill you!!
>>>>>regards
>>>>>ravi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>________________________________
>From: sanjupahari
>>>>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
>>>>>Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 15:28:26
>>>>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Oppss...seems i was in a different world, sorry Nitin, it was for you...by mistake I addressed you as Ravi, don't mind please.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards and Best Wishes
>>>>>Sanjupahari
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Â
>>>>>SANJUPAHARI >> A THETH PAHARI GUY >>>>>>> Â
>>>>>JAI PAHAD > > > JAI GOLU < < < JAI BADRIVISHAL
>>>>>
>>>>>--- On Fri, 7/10/09, sanjupahari wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: sanjupahari
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
>>>>>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
>>>>>>Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 10:18 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>HI Ravi ,Â
>>>>>>Hope you doing great out there, m here to add a little on what Anita Ji already said. I would also strongly suggest you to go for the higher studies; you would have a better opportunity in terms of not only to sharpen your expertise Â and ability to grow in ME but at the same time a better treatment alternative for your spinal problem.
>>>>>>Sorry to contradict on, but Ayurvedic medicines work equally well sometime, moreover there isn't any side effect involved so hope is always on!!!!!. However light yoga, swimming etc along with what Anita ji already suggested are equally good..nonetheless going for a better treatment Â in the hands of real experts should be the best opinion indeed. Â
>>>>>> Â I myself is an IITD alumni and presently working in New York . I would be more than happy if anything can be done from my end. Â
>>>>>> Â Just to add a little more at the end, you had graduated from an institute where it should be rare that someone suggest or recommend you on these decisive matters, specially the career front,,,we are here just to shade some light on a few possibilities that could be floating around to match your interest, so please don't take these as granted, you are among the best product of our country do what you feel is the bestest :) ,Â but we are always here to join hands in more realistic ways. Â
>>>>>>Please, do let me know if you still wanna work within India (its always proud indeed), I might have a few recommendations for you.
>>>>>> Â
>>>>>> Â
>>>>>>Tumar Dagaru
>>>>>>Sanjupahari
>>>>>> Â
>>>>>>Dr. Shailesh Upreti
>>>>>>Binghamton, New York
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Â
>>>>>>SANJUPAHARI >> A THETH PAHARI GUY >>>>>>> Â
>>>>>>JAI PAHAD > > > JAI GOLU < < < JAI BADRIVISHAL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Anita Dubey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: Anita Dubey
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
>>>>>>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
>>>>>>>Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 2:29 AM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I was also wondering how can so called Ayurvedic medicine help take care of your spondylitis. Your prognosis should involve simple nonsteroidal pain killers and supervised excercises like swimming and other yoga excercises which avoid Â jarring impact of the spine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anita Dubey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--- On Thu, 7/9/09, r joshi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>From: r joshi
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
>>>>>>>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
>>>>>>>>Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 5:56 AM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>i would sugget you to see a good rhuematologist
>>>>>>>>as being a doctor myself i think ayrvedic medications are waste of time
>>>>>>>> ravi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>________________________________
>From: Nitin Rawat
>>>>>>>>To: paurigarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, 9 July, 2009 9:15:02
>>>>>>>>Subject: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I must tell why I have not taken any jobs till now despite of my degree from IIT.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Probably the main factor is the ailment that I have been suffering
>>>>>>>>from, ankylosing spondylitis. It is a kind of arthiritis of
>>>>>>>>spine.Since last 8 months this ailment has been affecting my quality
>>>>>>>>of life. It is still in in its early stage and I am taking ayurvedic
>>>>>>>>medicines to bring it under control.So nothing serious to worry about.
>>>>>>>>But my body language has become similar to that of my 70 year old
>>>>>>>>grandma.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So I thought I must wait for sometime till the ailment is cured completly because recruiters, at the time of interview, maybe become
>>>>>>>>skeptical about my ability to cope up with whatever work they would
>>>>>>>>throw at me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So, if anyone has any suggestions/ advice regarding what kind of job I
>>>>>>>>should look for or anything regarding my ailment, they are welcome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Always a fighter.
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Nitin Rawat
>>>>>>>>Indian Institute of Technology Delhi
>>>>>>>>Mechanical Engg.
>>>>>>>>Contact No. - 9868270602
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>PS:
>>>>>>>>I am also enclosing herewith my detailed resume for your reference.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Â
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> Â
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11c.: Re: Ayurveda: an Anecdote or a National Legacy

Posted by: "sangram bhandari" bhandariss2001@yahoo.co.in bhandariss2001

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:55 pm (PDT)

Dear Dr Joshi,
You r the best person to do research on Ayurveda, as u r practising & qualified Allopathic doctors, u know the basics of Ayurveda along with other Indian System of Medicine. Ayurveda undoubtedly has potential to root out the desease along with fear of desease from mind.

I am not a doctor but have faith on Ayurveda inspired by an autobiography of an allopathic Doctor and Professor who had a cancer of bone marrow. Allopathic doctors could only decide about his days of survival based on all sorts of tests. As his days were nearing he went for other system of medicines. A Vaidya responded with condition that the patient could be treated under his strict control. Doctor agreed, he was treated and survived the date, his fellow doctors re-checked the findings.

Impressed by the potential of Ayurveda, he wrote a book on herbs, medicinal plants-their medicinal characteristics, causes of downfall of this medicinal system, basic tenets of the system , how it distinguishes itself.

Uttarakhand Govt. has decided to open Ayurveda University merging Rishikul & Gurukul in Haridwar. But I am scared of the BAMS Vaidyas who quickly call themselves doctors and start practising allopathy. Will that U'versity bring about attitudinal change in them?

I am hopeful.

S S BHANDARI
Your failure to get convinced or somebody's failure to convince you does not mean that Ayurvedic system of medicine as practised by ancient Vidyas, sages, etc. does not hold any impotance.

--- On Tue, 28/7/09, r joshi <drrkjoshi@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: r joshi <drrkjoshi@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [PGG] Ayurveda: an Anecdote or a National Legacy
To: PauriGarhwal@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 28 July, 2009, 4:10 PM

sanju pahari
you seem to be a confused lot to me?
while you tried to stir a religious issue to Ayurveda like an Indian politician- let me make it clear that a true doctor,vaidya or any physician should be above religion and should treat his or her patients as human beings
as for hinduatva i am very a proud Hindu,(though citizen of UK and living amid Christian faith and influence) -and yes i have read Vedas-the English translation as unfortunately my Sanskrit is not good!!-in fact i am still reading it and some of the teachings like animal sacrifice etc -i do not agree with!!
still i try to convince my white friends here about teachings of Vedas and greatness of Hindu religion whenever the opportunity strikes.
regarding your evidence on Ayurveda i am sorry to say what you have provided is nothing more than stories-i hate to call them review articles!!-as they are not based on multi centred double blind trials or any good data
in fact if you look closely one of your own article reflects your confusion--- please see this conclusion of one of article you have provided which speaks for it self??--

CONCLUSIONS: Evidence-based studies on the efficacy and safety of traditional Indian medicines are limited. The essential ingredient in most formulations is not precisely defined. High quality studies are necessary to evaluate and compare the value of traditional Indian drugs to modern medicine.

i am also enclosing following form wikepedia -though i agree that what ever is said in wikepedia may not always be true/peer reviewed -though it does have references for cross checking--

Safety
Major safety concerns include adulteration of herbal medicines with toxic metals, and intrinsic toxicity of herbal medications. Some traditional Ayurvedic treatments use toxic metals, herbs, and minerals as part of their remedies. Rasa Shastra, the practice of adding metals, minerals or gems to herbs, increases the likelihood of toxic metals such as
lead, mercury, or arsenic in the remedy.[66]
A 2004 study found toxic heavy metals such as lead, mercury and arsenic in 20% of Ayurvedic preparations that were made in South Asia for sale around Boston and extrapolated the data to America. It concluded that excess consumption of these products could cause health risks.[67] A 2008 study found that approximately 20% of remedies (and 40% of rasa shastra medicines) purchased over the internet from both US and Indian suppliers were contaminated with toxic metals.[66]
Traditionally the toxicity of these materials are believed to be reduced through processes such as samskaras or shodhanas (for metals), which is similar to the Chinese pao zhi, although the Ayurvedic technique is more complex and may involve prayers as well as physical pharmacy techniques.[68] Rigorous evidence that the metals may be rendered nontoxic is not available, and case reports describe adverse
effects to these metals.[66]
There is evidence that using some Ayurvedic medicines, especially those involving herbs, metals, minerals, or other materials involves potentially serious risks, including toxicity.[52][69] Adverse reactions to herbs due their pharmacology are described in traditional Ayurveda texts, but Ayurvedic practitioners are reluctant to admit that herbs could be toxic and the reliable
information on herbal toxicity is not easily available.[70]
Following concerns about metal toxicity, the Government of India ruled that Ayurvedic products must specify their metallic content directly on the labels of the product.[71] The harmful effects of the samples is attributed in part to the adulterated raw material and lack of workers trained in traditional medicine.[72] In a letter to the Indian Academy of
Sciences, director of the Interdisciplinary School of Health Sciences, University of Pune Patwardhan Bhushan stated that the metal adulteration is due to contamination and carelessness during the much faster modern manufacturing processes, and does not occur with traditional methods of preparation.[73] Publication of the levels of contamination found in the products has resulted in decline of Ayurveda in India as well as abroad.[72]

Being a medical doctor -both me and my wife,who predominately works with south asian Indian population have seen several side effects of Ayurveda medicines/herbal medicines in past several years with some time fatal results.So the notion that ayurvedic medicines have no side effect is completely untrue and a rather dangerous statement to say a least.

you are also confused between herbal source of medicines and ayurveda-while ayurveda is a traditional Indian way of medicines but unfortunately over the period of time due to lake of patronage and proper studies has been limited to tridosa-the wat,cough and pitta without much modern understandings of human body and diseases.in fact all the ayurvedic institutes which proudly produce ayurvedic vaidyas in india-who quickly prefix their names with dr. soon after coming out of these institute;teach allopathic system of pathology and anatomy rather than the old style traditional way!!-and surprisingly these doctors once out also start practising allopathic system for a quick fix.

as for herbal sources they have been used in all forms of traditional medicine for several centuries in different cultures-even in western medicines -for example digoxin is an alkaloid found in fox glove and quinine comes from bark of cinchona.Aspirin the most widely used drug in whole world comes from willow bark and has been used by some tribals for centuries-but then it does not make them ayurvedic medications (these all drugs are active ingredients of these sources and now synthesised artificially rather than from natural sources)-in fact quite often some animals mainly primates eat barks of some tree and some time I wonder they know more than us about ayurveda.
biggest problem about the the ayurveda is lack of knowledge about the active ingredients in several medications and lack of knowledge how does it work -if it does? and persistent ignorance about the "side effects"
your comment about curcumin in turmeric is worth mentioning -western researcher are looking into it in a systematic way for last few years and i am proud to say that my university here is currently doing a big research-initial results are favourable and it seems it does prevent colorectal cancer but there is a caveat-initial results show that we need about 100 mgs/day though usual curry contains about 1-2 mgs-so we need loads of turmeric every day-any it is our way of cuisine and as you all will agree nothing to do with ayurveda in general.

modern medicines like allopathic system though not a panacea for all the ailments works around logic and hard core evidence-the data;all the new drugs are researched -have first animal trials and then three phase trials on humans for safety and efficacy-billions of dollars are spent and then only handful of drugs go through the strict safety net-still we see lot of side effects
unfortunately this tight regulation and heavy expenses also put up the prices of final product which makes these drugs some time out of reach of poor people.

though charak gets mention in our western books(and he was great surgeon) but subsequent lack of development in the area of surgery should be i think final nail in the coffin of Ayurveda.
unless modern vaidyas in india put their house in order and produce hard core evidence it will be an uphill task for you to convince people like me and several other western and Indian scholars about ayurveda.

rudness in not in my culture and i will leave it to our learned forum members to decide who has been rude all through after a quick glance on all the mails!!
regards
ravi

From: sanjupahari <sanjupahari@ yahoo.com>
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, 27 July, 2009 19:49:00
Subject: Re: [PGG] Ayurveda: an Anecdote or a National Legacy

Dear group members Namaskar,

Ravi ji, In vein of the same stream I have been thinking over this since you first replied back on this subject. However, didn´t want to deviate from the main stream discussion, but your repeated sarcastic statements on "Ayurveda" followed by "Indian Journals" had made me introspect a bit in my limited brain boundaries,, , please feel free to correct me whatsoever you find it inappropriate and illogical henceforth ....I also feel the discussion was going out of the brook so I changed the subject line with an aim to welcome more precise yet comprehensive approaches in terms of multi-brain involvement and interest.

As the question was raised off the beam, m here with handful references on WELL WRITTEN, RECENTLY published GOOD IMPACT FACTOR-HIGH CITATION and PEERLY REVIWED journals not only to support my previous statement "Ayurveda works equally well SOMETIME" but also to have vis-a-vis on your curiosity to read concrete and published results and ofcourse to contradict "its waste of time".

Before I begin, I just wish to share something on emotional ground first, please be cautious of condemning ethnic values!!!! having been coevolved with life natural products are billions of years old, in India Ayurveda is suppose to have 3000 years old history....how could it be "WASTE OF TIME". Dear friend I don´t know being HINDU how deep you are in to the study, adoption and respect to VEDAS but the verses of Ayurveda are included in ATHARVAVEDA, which simply implies that the Ayurveda is as old as the Vedas. Presently it is in daily use by millions of people in India ,
Nepal and Sri Lanka , hope not all are WASTING THEIR TIME. On top of it, Unani, Chinese and Tibetan Medicine had been drastically influenced by Ayurveda. It´s nothing but our misfortune that Chinese people turned out to be more cleavers and keep patenting the outcomes very fast (Ref: http://www.freshpat ents.com/ Herbal-formulati ons-for-arthriti s-dt20060525ptan 20060110468. php). On the other hand our own people with no supportive spirit are just reproving these ancient facts..... The relevance and significance of Ayurveda lies in the fact that tens of thousands of medicines have
been produced as secondary metabolites by the higher plants as a natural defense against disease and infection since years.......natural surprises are way beyond our heads sometime....any way m leaving this untouched for an instance

Now as the written facts can please you more, I would request you to read this article "Curcumin as Curecumin: From kitchen to clinic", where the relevance of HALDI (Curcuma Longa) in curing the cancer is well discussed with clinical proofs. Prof. Bharat B. Aggarwal at el. (from Cytokine Research Laboratory, Departments of Experimental Therapeutics, The University of Texas, Houston, TX, United States) in 2007 stated, "The Indian system of holistic medicine known as Ayurveda uses plant-based drugs or formulations to treat various ailments including cancer (I think, cancer is much complicated than KABZ or Constipation : ) ). Of the approximately 877 small molecule drugs introduced worldwide between 1981 and 2002, most (61%) can be traced back to their origins in natural products". (Ref: b i o ch e m i c a l pharmacology, 7 5 ( 2 0 0 8 ) 7 8 7- 8 0 9.)

From your statements, one should have never inferred the things other way around,,,but sorry to say, "I did",,,,,being an extravagantly straight towards the ethnic values I find this mail worth sharing my resentment and pain specially when one of our own countrymen reviles the revealed facts of Ayurveda. Frankly speaking, neither you nor any one around the globe, be it FDA or USFDA or anyone else, has any privileges to condemn our ethnic legacy, it includes Ayurveda indeed....the rejection from FDA is thier ill fortune not Ayurvedas'.. .  So please forgive me as I could not shut my mouth up while reading your sarcastic
comments on our ancient asset....not only that, your another sarcastic remark "AYURVEDA has only been favorable for KABZ" did niothing but further increased my antipathy,,, Dear Dr. plz browse the web more sincerely, precisely and unbiased-ly to know lil more on the contemporary Ayurveda research...things have been altering much faster than what one could have ever think of, and more than much-more experimental results have successfully been published around the globe for couple of past decades. I personally believe, Ayurvedic science has already been augmenting to its triumph and after supplementary clinical trials there would eventually be a time soon for the Ayurveda and Herbal medicines to flourish ....
Had everyone synchronized their beliefs your way, probably the term "reverse pharmacology" would have never evolved and we would have never been able to cure critical disease like cancer using Ayurvedic reverse pharmacology. (Ref: [a] Cho JW, Lee KS, Kim CW. Curcumin attenuates the expression of IL-1beta, IL-6, and TNF-alpha as well as cyclin E in TNF-alpha-treated HaCaT cells; NF-kappaB and MAPKs as potential upstream targets. Int J Mol Med 2007;19:469-74 and [b] Aggarwal S, Ichikawa H, Takada Y, Sandur SK, Shishodia S, Aggarwal BB. Curcumin (diferuloylmethane) downregulates expression of cell proliferation and antiapoptotic and metastatic gene products through suppression of IkappaBalpha kinase and Akt activation. Mol Pharmacol
2006;69:195-206.)....
As far as heavy metals chemistry is concerned, its pretty unusual to me...not all but a few like aluminum, cadmium, lead and mercury, are found be carcinogenic or hazardous...moreover other viz; arsenic, copper, iron and nickel are thought to be essential for the body at low concentrations....on the other hand, even a little intake of light metal like beryllium could comparatively be more dangerous....Interestingly, it has been known for decades that the selenium (a heavy metal) is vitally protective against mercury and also has a powerful anti-cancer benefit. When the daily intake is 100 microgrammes or more (200 mcg. is better), the risk of cancer from all sources drops dramatically( Ref: Karam
El-Bayoumy, The protective role of selenium on genetic damage and on cancer, Mutation Research/Fundamenta l and Molecular Mechanisms of Mutagenesis Volume 475, Issues 1-2, 18 April 2001, Pages 123-139).. So this problem could be concentration and element specific but not the molecular weight...list is long...and clinical trials are suppose to be the best ways to unwrap the truth....therein our Ayurveda had taken a long (around 3000 years) on wide range clinical trials revealing many facts open by and large on human and animals of course.

I also feel sorry to say that I have a list of around 654 research papers right on my screen appeared immediately after a SCI-FINDER scan run to study AYURVEDA exclusively on ankylosing spondylitis, rheumatoid spondylitis, Marie-Strumpell disease and various forms of Arthritis, unfortunately i can't share them all here on group (because of heavy size). I hope, being in UK based hospital you must possess a better access to majority of the online medical journals, however I still wish to share a little of what I could using my limited privileges., ,please feel free to browse the full papers, I am providing you with the references and abstracts underneath.
I also wanna rule out your another sarcastic comment "EVEN IT IS AN INDIAN JOURNALS" that simply implies you concern underestimating our NATIONAL JOURNALS,,,which is totally a BIASED, UNETHICAL and HISHONERABLE statement and even if its true for an instance, I would blame this on DOCTORS and RESEARCHERS like you and me.....a talented doctor must think 100 time before publishing his significant research in non-Indian journals but must think 10000 times over and over again before condemning or commenting on national esteem. It requires a lot of courage to successfully run and publish a single journal, not only in terms of funds and infrastructure involved but also in collecting a truthful scientific manuscript, unbiased referencing and high brain referees to approve it....and we are not way far-off from any of
these....

                Probably this wouldn´t come as a surprise to you, but being a non medical professional its really "hitting eye of the bird" for me to thrash out this issue w.r.t. more meaningful technical discussions and conclusion, nevertheless I am amazed to read your statements where you seeking printed evidences for the civic pride, without even doing this by yourself prior to sending in the group... so I hereby feel that your statements like "Ayurveda is waste of time" etc. are totally biased and moreover could itself be considered as self
ammusing anecdote but NEVER the AYURVEDA ...

Here below are some of the abstract and references of a few journals published in last 4-5 years, for your kind feed back....
1. Ayurvedic medicine and arthritis
Chopra A, Rheumatic diseases clinics of North America, Volume 26, Issue 1, Pages 133-44,
Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW), 2000, Reference Number 22, ISSN: 0889-857X, Journal Code: 8708093, United States
The fundamental principles of Ayurveda are briefly reviewed. The ancient classification of arthritis is described along with the comparisons to the modern system. Though the diagnosis is historical and clinical, it is based on the tridosha hypothesis. The Ayurvedic pathogenesis links arthritis to the gut. Management chiefly consists of diet and lifestyle changes, the panchkarma process, and herbal drugs. The rasayana concept of immunomodulation is introduced. Clinical ethno-validation of the ancient therapy is necessary to meet the modern requirements and set up an interface with modern medicine.

2. Immunomodulatory activity of Semecarpus anacardium extract in mononuclear cells of normal individuals and rheumatoid arthritis patients
Singh Divya; Aggarwal Amita; Mathias Amrita; Naik Sita, Journal of ethnopharmacology, Volume 108, Issue 3, Pages 398-406 Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); (RESEARCH SUPPORT, NON-U.S. GOV'T), 2006, ISSN: 0378-8741, Journal Code: 7903310, Ireland.
Semecarpus anacardium (SA) Linn. (family Anacardiaceae) , is a plant well-known for its medicinal value in Ayurveda. The nut extracts of this plant have been traditionally used as antihelminthic, anti-fungal, anti-carcinogenic and in the treatment of nervous debilities and arthritis. In this study we have evaluated crude ethanolic extract of SA nuts for its anti-inflammatory activities in vitro using peripheral blood and synovial fluid mononuclear cells of healthy individuals and rheumatoid arthritis (RA) patients. SA extract inhibited the spontaneous and LPS induced production of proinflammatory cytokines IL-1beta and IL-12p40 but had no effect on TNF-alpha and IL-6 production, both at protein and mRNA level. The crude extract also suppressed LPS induced nuclear
translocation of transcription factors, NF-kappaB and AP-1; the inhibition of NF-kappaB was through the inhibition of IkappaBalpha phosphorylation. The extract also suppressed LPS activated nitric oxide production in mouse macrophage cell line, RAW 264.7. Our results for the first time show that SA extract can inhibit proinflammatory cytokine production and demonstrate its mechanism of action.

3. Antioxidant approach to disease management and the role of 'Rasayana' herbs of Ayurveda
Govindarajan R; Vijayakumar M; Pushpangadan P , Journal of ethnopharmacology, Volume 99, Issue 2, Pages 165-78, Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW) 2005, Reference Number 112, ISSN: 0378-8741, Journal Code: 7903310, Ireland.
The disease preventive and health promotive approach of 'Ayurveda', which takes into consideration the whole body, mind and spirit while dealing with the maintenance of health, promotion of health and treating ailments is holistic and finds increasing acceptability in many regions of the world. Ancient Ayurvedic physicians had developed certain dietary and therapeutic measures to arrest/delay ageing and rejuvenating whole functional dynamics of the body system. This revitalization and rejuvenation is known as the 'Rasayan chikitsa' (rejuvenation therapy). Traditionally, Rasayana drugs are used against a plethora of seemingly diverse disorders with no pathophysiological connections according to modern medicine. Though, this group of plants generally possesses strong antioxidant activity, only a few have been investigated in detail.
Over about 100 disorders like rheumatoid arthritis, hemorrhagic shock, CVS disorders, cystic fibrosis, metabolic disorders, neurodegenerative diseases, gastrointestinal ulcerogenesis and AIDS have been reported as reactive oxygen species mediated. In this review, the role of free radicals in these diseases has been briefly reviewed. 'Rasayana' plants with potent antioxidant activity have been reviewed for their traditional uses, and mechanism of antioxidant action. Fifteen such plants have been dealt with in detail and some more plants with less work have also been reviewed briefly.

4. Ayurvedic medicine. Core concept, therapeutic principles, and current relevance
Chopra Arvind; Doiphode Vijay V, The Medical clinics of North America, Volume 86, Issue 1, Pages 75-89, vii Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW), 2002, Reference Number 37, ISSN: 0025-7125, Journal Code: 2985236R, United States
In the prebiblical Ayurvedic origins, every creation inclusive of a human being is a model of the universe. In this model, the basic matter and the dynamic forces (Dosha) of the nature determine health and disease, and the medicinal value of any substance (plant and mineral). The Ayurvedic practices (chiefly that of diet, life style, and the Panchkarama) aim to maintain the Dosha equilibrium. Despite a holistic approach aimed to cure disease, therapy is customized to the individual's constitution (Prakruti). Numerous Ayurvedic medicines (plant derived in particular) have been tested for their biological (especially immunomodulation) and clinical potential using modern ethnovalidation, and thereby setting an interface with modern medicine. To understand Ayurvedic medicine, it would be necessary to first understand the origin, basic
concept and principles of Ayurveda.

5 . Traditional Indian systems of medicine
Lodha R; Bagga A , Annals of the Academy of Medicine, Singapore, Volume 29, Issue 1, Pages 37-41, Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW), 2000, Reference Number 52, ISSN: 0304-4602, Journal Code: 7503289, Singapore
INTRODUCTION: A number of traditional systems of medicine exist in India of which Ayurveda is the most popular. Despite being in use for more than 3000 years, few properly designed trials have scientifically examined the clinical potential of Ayurvedic and other medications. METHODS: We reviewed the MEDLINE database to identify clinical trials conducted using traditional Indian medicines. Single case reports were excluded. RESULTS: Ayurvedic preparations have been successfully used for the treatment of bronchial asthma, ischaemic heart disease and hyperlipidaemia. Formulations containing curcumin were reported to reduce inflammation and disability in double-blind clinical trials on patients with rheumatoid arthritis. A number of products are reported to be useful in patients
with acute viral hepatitis. A multicentric study by the Indian Council of Medical Research showed that a preparation from Pterocarpus marsupium was effective in reducing levels of blood glucose and glycosylated haemoglobin in patients with non-insulin- dependent diabetes mellitus. In another multicentric trial, patients with fistula-in-ano were randomised to surgery or application of medicated seton (Ksharsootra) . Surgical treatment led to a faster cure but recurrence rates were lower with medicated seton. Administration of extract from Bacopa monnieri, to children with mental retardation, was reported to significantly improve short-term and long-term memory.

6. Withaferin A is a potent inhibitor of angiogenesis
Mohan, Royce; Hammers, Hans; Bargagna-mohan, Paola; Zhan, Xiaoguo; Herbstritt, Christopher; Ruiz, Antonio; Zhang, Li; Hanson, Art; Conner, Barry; Rougas, John; Pribluda, Victor
The medicinal plant Withania somnifera is widely researched for its anti-inflammatory, cardioactive and central nervous system effects. In Ayurveda, the major Traditional Indian medicine system, exts. from W. somnifera are distinctively employed for the treatment of arthritis and menstrual disorders. Because these conditions involve angiogenic processes we hypothesized that the W. somnifera exts. might contain angiogenesis inhibitors. We employed an endothelial cell-sprouting assay to monitor the purifn. of substances from W. somnifera root exts. and isolated as the active principle the previously known natural product withaferin A. We show that withaferin A inhibits human umbilical vein endothelial cell (HUVEC) sprouting in three-dimensional collagen-I matrix at doses which are relevant to NF-kappa B-inhibitory
activity. Withaferin A inhibits cell proliferation in HUVECs (IC50=12 nM) at doses that are significantly lower than those required for tumor cell lines through a process assocd. with inhibition of cyclin D1 expression. We propose that the inhibition of NF-kappa B by withaferin A in HUVECs occurs by interference with the ubiquitin-mediated proteasome pathway as suggested by the increased levels of poly-ubiquitinated proteins. Finally, withaferin A is shown to exert potent anti-angiogenic activity in vivo at doses that are 500-fold lower than those previously reported to exert anti-tumor activity in vivo. In conclusion, our findings identify a novel mode of action of withaferin A, which highlights the potential use of this natural product for cancer treatment or prevention.
7. Shilajit: an amazing rejuvenator and anti-aging drug

By Chaturvedi, S. P.; Korde, Bhushan K.; Kumar, Vimal, From Pharma, Review (2007), 5(30), 101-104. Language: English, Database: CAPLUS.
In Sanskrit the literal meaning of Shilajit is "Rock Like" - the power to make our body like a rock, it has unmatched powers of arresting and reversing the aging process. In Ayurveda, Shilajit is one of most potent and unique rejuvenators and conqueror of mountains and destroyer of weakness. Shilajit has been used historically for general phys. strengthening, anti-aging, blood sugar stabilization, libido, injury healing, urinary tract rejuvenation, enhanced brain functioning potency, bone healing, kidney rejuvenation, immune system strengthening, arthritis, hypertension, obesity.

Sorry If I sound rude at places....i apologize for any unethical, wrong or incomplete statements I have brought up here. Dear Dr. I personally respect your profession and no where by any mean I challenge your qualifications, expertise and eligibility to discuss on Ayurveda....please take my views with positive spirit and discuss openly henceforth.... and I am not personally intended in hurting anyone's personal dignity... hope you would understand my perspective as I respect and favor all short of different remedies and solutions available worldwide to cure life threatening syndromes,. Thanking you all with a hope, whoever is reading this would not get hurt by any unknown uncouth words used to support my personal opinion. Finally, I am ready to press the full stop here : ) .

Best Wishes and Regards

Tumar Dagaru

Sanjupahari

SANJUPAHARI >> A THETH PAHARI GUY >>>>>>>
JAI PAHAD > > > JAI GOLU < < < JAI BADRIVISHAL

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, praful negi <prafulnegi@gmail. com> wrote:

From: praful negi <prafulnegi@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!! [1 Attachment]
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 11:13 AM

PLEASE CHECK THE PPT ..........ITS INSPIRING... ....

On 7/22/09, r joshi <drrkjoshi@yahoo. com> wrote:

deep
i don't know what your qualifications are to call my statements immature!!(may be you are an authority in Ayurveda)
working for health services as medical consultant in an hospital in England the only thing which will impress me about the Ayurveda is the evidence-not the anecdotes
i would be grateful if you could provide me with the evidence in a leading journal about Ayurveda in ankolysing spondilits (even if it is an Indian journal)
i bet even this condition is not known in Ayurveda and classified under common back problems!!
not that i am anti -Ayurveda-it works  in constipation, but rest of the major conditions it is waste of time!!
ravi

From: deep uprety <uprety_deep@ yahoo.co. in>
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 5:40:41

Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!

Namaskar
I had been thinking to write some comments on this topic In this regard. I wish to say that we have not actually tried to actually understand what kind of help is sought by Mr Rawat, in spite of this we have started condemning Ayurvedic System of Medicine , which had matured itself with time. Problem of heavy metals may be due to poor quality control as happened in case of Basmati Patent and unrestricted unchecked exports or it may be a propaganda of American FDA with a fear that if Ayurvedic Medicines of proper quality is manufactured in USA english system will be washed off. Vision of Dr Ravi seems to be immature and biased because he never tried or studied Ayurvedic. There is no end to unwanted discussions but the Best thing is to find way how we can help Mr Rawat. I would appreciate if we discuss this in future and mobilise help actually sought by him.
Thanks
Deep Uprety
Pune

--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Anita Dubey <anitadubey1@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Anita Dubey <anitadubey1@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 21 July, 2009, 11:58 PM

Hello Nitin,
After reading your last email, I was disappointed to see a loser's attitude in you despite the fact that you have graduated from such a fine institute.

It does not matter that you missed out on your GRE & TOEFL tests for this year. You can always take them now or whenever it can be taken in India.
If I were you I would take it as an opportunity to do better in tests and afterwards take up some temporary job in order to have some funds available for immediate expenses for your travel to a US university since it will take two or so weeks time before you start getting your scholarship money. Donot worry it is not like in India where things get unnecessarily delayed. Here if somebody promises you that it'll take two weeks for your job to be taken care of then it will be done in less than two weeks.
So get started and take GRE and TOEFL for your bright future and offcourse for your health as well.
You were mentioning that you cannot swim in India due to the fear of infection but here you can swim in any swimming pool in any part of city and you will never have any problems. I was surprised to hear that a populated city like Delhi has water for the swimming pool when citizens are facing huge scarcity of potable water.
Anyways you will do a big favor to yourself and your family if you go for masters in US, especially when you know that chances of you getting admission here with full scholarship are almost 100%.
So take the big step if you really want to do your PARENTS proud, who toiled hard to make sure that your education was taken care of in the best possible way.
I THINK THIS MUCH YOU OWE IT TO THEM TO MUCH MORE AHEAD IN YOUR LIFE AND GIVE A BOOST TO YOUR NEXT GENERATION AND YOUR FAMILY STATUS.
May the goodness prevail upon you,
Anita dubey

Anita Dubey

--- On Tue, 7/14/09, r joshi <drrkjoshi@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: r joshi <drrkjoshi@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 5:16 AM

i will still disagree
ayurvedic medications the way they are made now,contain heavy metals
and several have been banned in US by FDA
so always be careful-the biggest problem is you do not know what you are taking
as there is no chemical analysis of these medications and there are no studies regarding side effects
working in united kingdom as a doctor i often see Indian patients having problems/side effects after taking these medications
so i will disagree that these medications dont have side effects-after all plants contain chemicals-datura one of the plant commonly used in some of the traditional medications has atropine,fox glove was widely used rather unsafely for heart failure as it contains digoxine which when used in higher dose can kill you!!
regards
ravi

From: sanjupahari <sanjupahari@ yahoo.com>
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 15:28:26
Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!

Oppss...seems i was in a different world, sorry Nitin, it was for you...by mistake I addressed you as Ravi, don't mind please.

Regards and Best Wishes
Sanjupahari

SANJUPAHARI >> A THETH PAHARI GUY >>>>>>>
JAI PAHAD > > > JAI GOLU < < < JAI BADRIVISHAL

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, sanjupahari <sanjupahari@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: sanjupahari <sanjupahari@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 10:18 AM

HI Ravi ,

Hope you doing great out there, m here to add a little on what Anita Ji already said. I would also strongly suggest you to go for the higher studies; you would have a better opportunity in terms of not only to sharpen your expertise and ability to grow in ME but at the same time a better treatment alternative for your spinal problem.

Sorry to contradict on, but Ayurvedic medicines work equally well sometime, moreover there isn't any side effect involved so hope is always on!!!!!. However light yoga, swimming etc along with what Anita ji already suggested are equally good..nonetheless going for a better treatment in the hands of real experts should be the best opinion indeed.

  I myself is an IITD alumni and presently working in New York . I would be more than happy if anything can be done from my end.

   Just to add a little more at the end, you had graduated from an institute where it should be rare that someone suggest or recommend you on these decisive matters, specially the career front,,,we are here just to shade some light on a few possibilities that could be floating around to match your interest, so please don't take these as granted, you are among the best product of our country do what you feel is the bestest :) , but we are always here to join hands in more realistic ways.

Please, do let me know if you still wanna work within India (it´s always proud indeed), I might have a few recommendations for you.

Tumar Dagaru

Sanjupahari

Dr. Shailesh Upreti

Binghamton, New York



SANJUPAHARI >> A THETH PAHARI GUY >>>>>>>
JAI PAHAD > > > JAI GOLU < < < JAI BADRIVISHAL

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Anita Dubey <anitadubey1@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Anita Dubey <anitadubey1@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 2:29 AM

I was also wondering how can so called Ayurvedic medicine help take care of your spondylitis. Your prognosis should involve simple nonsteroidal pain killers and supervised excercises like swimming and other yoga excercises which avoid jarring impact of the spine.

Anita Dubey

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From: r joshi <drrkjoshi@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!
To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 5:56 AM

i would sugget you to see a good rhuematologist
as being a doctor myself i think ayrvedic medications are waste of time
ravi

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To: paurigarhwal@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, 9 July, 2009 9:15:02
Subject: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!

Hi,

I must tell why I have not taken any jobs till now despite of my degree from IIT.

Probably the main factor is the ailment that I have been suffering
from, ankylosing spondylitis. It is a kind of arthiritis of
spine.Since last 8 months this ailment has been affecting my quality
of life. It is still in in its early stage and I am taking ayurvedic
medicines to bring it under control.So nothing serious to worry about.
But my body language has become similar to that of my 70 year old
grandma.

So I thought I must wait for sometime till the ailment is cured completly because recruiters, at the time of interview, maybe become
skeptical about my ability to cope up with whatever work they would
throw at me.

So, if anyone has any suggestions/ advice regarding what kind of job I
should look for or anything regarding my ailment, they are welcome.

Always a fighter.
--
Nitin Rawat
Indian
Institute of Technology Delhi
Mechanical Engg.
Contact No. - 9868270602

PS:
I am also enclosing herewith my detailed resume for your reference.

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11d.: Re: Ayurveda: an Anecdote or a National Legacy

Posted by: "sanjupahari" sanjupahari@yahoo.com sanjupahari

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:55 pm (PDT)

Dear Kala Ji,Thank you for throwing light on effectiveness of the Ayurvedic system of medicine. It´s nice to have a third opinion on what has turned out to be a lil hot topic on the group.Dear Dr. Saahab,Thanks for the title of `confused´; I agree I might not know all about medicine because that´s not my stream and by being confused I leave room for improvement for myself and would be eager to learn wherever opportunity arrives.The debate you started can go on and on; and I like healthy discussions however, I would rather not waste my time and caliber in arguing with someone with "KNOW ALL" attitude. It´s good to think differently Dr. Ravi; had Newton, Einstein, Edison and so many such people not thought differently we would have missed so many scientific discoveries...however, condemning a system only for ego satisfaction is not a healthy exercise...Could you name just a few allopathic medicine with no side effects at all?With all due
respect to you, your wife and the noble profession of medicine may I request you to read my previous mail peacefully and if you wish we can further debate on this and my political bent of mind, Hinduism, translated vedas etc. etc on a separate platform. I´m reachable 24*7 @ sanjupahari@yahoo.com. Please drop me a mail after reading my previous mail with calm and unbiased mind. We can include other group members in the discussion if they so desire. This platform is aimed to help group members in need; let´s maintain sanctity of the platform. Initially you wanted to have written evidences, later you call them reviews, but dear Dr. first of all not all of them are reviews, secondly reviews are generated from articles only so cross references should have given you more insight on pros and cones...without keeping a detailed eye on them your biased response to my previous mail appeared within 24Hrs,,,it could have taken at least 2-3 days to collect and
read full articles,,,,it took me 3 days to collect them....Just want to let you know that I respect your profession and salute people like you who devote much of their time in saving others life, but condemning National Pride just on personal experience is not an ethical and logical way indeed. Ayurveda has evolved up as a MULTY-BILLION business and to me and for millions of people its not a waste of time at all. There are companies like DABUR, AYUR and HIMALAYA etc. very strict on quality check and quality control, AYURVEDA is not a road side PAISA KAMAO FAKE HAKEEM business,,,,there are several international universities solely dedicated to Ayurveda...lots of known facts are yet to reveal,,, The topic originally initiated to aid Nitin in deciding what career or treatment possibilities can help him better his living ways, has already digressed too much from it's point of attention, thanks to your intervention and I apologise to Nitin for the same. For
now, I just wish to ask Nitin how things are progressing with him and if there is any way in which I can be of any assistance to him.

Best Wishes and Regards Apan Dagadu, Sanjupahari Research Foundation of New York
SANJUPAHARI >> A THETH PAHARI GUY >>>>>>> JAI PAHAD > > > JAI GOLU < < < JAI BADRIVISHAL

--- On Wed, 7/29/09, CPrakashKala <cpkala@rediffmail.com> wrote:

From: CPrakashKala <cpkala@rediffmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [PGG] Ayurveda: an Anecdote or a National Legacy
To: drrkjoshi@yahoo.com
Cc: PauriGarhwal@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 2:23 AM

Dear friends,

Namaskar,

I have been reading your discussions for last couple of days on the effectiveness of the Ayurvedic system of medicine. I have been a consultant with the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare, Govt of India. This Ministry has a separate Department, the Deptt. of AYUSH, which deals with Ayurveda and other traditional systems of medicine. A lot of research has been done in the past and still going on the quality control, efficacy etc of the medicinal plants species. We have Indian Pharmacopoeia, which contains very useful and tested information. Recently, I was in Slovenia and the people from the European countries were just running after the Ayurveda. Almost each scientist participated in one of the meetings was talking about the Himalayan medicinal plants, their properties and efficacy of Ayurveda. Last year I was in a conference in Pennsylvania and the participants were very much willing to adopt the herbal medicinal system, because of several factors.
The National Medicinal Plants Board has funded billions of Rs. to the institutions across the country for cultivation and conservation of medicinal plants, and so far 1,40,000 ha of land has been brought under medicinal plants cultivation. The Dabur, and other pharmaceutical companies are preparing number of Ayurvedic preparation, which are very much tested. There are hundreds of examples of successful stories of Ayruveda. This system still persists even after subjugation for centuries by the different rulers in this country. One should go through the records and findings of WHO which says that 80% of people still rely on traditional system of medicine, and Ayurveda is one of the leading medicinal systems. I personally feel that we should only condemn any system of medicine, whether it is traditional or modern, once we have sufficient knowledge and awareness on the same. The knowledge in bits and pieces may not lead to anywhere, and as we know
âEUR~little knowledge is a dangerous thingâEURTM.

I am sorry if my views hurt the feeling of someone, but I still feel that we should not jump to any conclusion without knowing the fact and figures.

I shall be away on tour for next couple of weeks and will definitely response if there will be is any query.

Regards,

Chandra Prakash Kala

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:21:25 +0530 wrote

>sanju pahari

>you seem to be a confused lot to me?

>while you tried to stir a religious issue to Ayurveda like an Indian politician- let me make it clear that a true doctor,vaidya or any physician should be above religion and should treat his or her patients as human beings

>as for hinduatva i am very a proud Hindu,(though citizen of UK and living amid Christian faith and influence) -and yes i have read Vedas-the English translation as unfortunately my Sanskrit is not good!!-in fact i am still reading it and some of the teachings like animal sacrifice etc -i do not agree with!!

>still i try to convince my white friends here about teachings of Vedas and greatness of Hindu religion whenever the opportunity strikes.

>regarding your evidence on Ayurveda i am sorry to say what you have provided is nothing more than stories-i hate to call them review articles!!-as they are not based on multi centred double blind trials or any good data

>in fact if you look closely one of your own article reflects your confusion---please see this conclusion of one of article you have provided which speaks for it self??--

>

> CONCLUSIONS: Evidence-based studies on the efficacy and safety of traditional Indian medicines are limited. Â The essential ingredient in most formulations is not precisely defined. Â High quality studies are necessary to evaluate and compare the value of traditional Indian drugs to modern medicine.

>

>i am also enclosing following form wikepedia -though i agree that what ever is said in wikepedia may not always be true/peer reviewed -though it does have references for cross checking--

>

>Safety

>Major safety concerns include adulteration of herbal medicines with toxic metals, and intrinsic toxicity of herbal medications. Some traditional Ayurvedic treatments use toxic metals, herbs, and mineralsas part of their remedies. Rasa Shastra, the practice of adding metals, minerals or gems to herbs, increases the likelihood of toxic metals such as lead, mercury, or arsenic in the remedy.[66]

>A 2004 study found toxic heavy metals such as lead, mercuryand arsenicin 20% of Ayurvedic preparations that were made in South Asia for sale around Boston and extrapolated the data to America. It concluded that excess consumption of these products could cause health risks.[67] A 2008 study found that approximately 20% of remedies (and 40% of rasa shastra medicines) purchased over the internet from both US and Indian suppliers were contaminated with toxic metals.[66]

>Traditionally the toxicity of these materials are believed to be reduced through processes such as samskarasor shodhanas (for metals), which is similar to the Chinese pao zhi, although the Ayurvedic technique is more complex and may involve prayers as well as physical pharmacy techniques.[68] Rigorous evidence that the metals may be rendered nontoxic is not available, and case reports describe adverse effects to these metals.[66]

>There is evidence that using some Ayurvedic medicines, especially those involving herbs, metals, minerals, or other materials involves potentially serious risks, including toxicity.[52][69] Adverse reactions to herbs due their pharmacology are described in traditional Ayurveda texts, but Ayurvedic practitioners are reluctant to admit that herbs could be toxic and the reliable information on herbal toxicity is not easily available.[70]

>Following concerns about metal toxicity, the Government of India ruled that Ayurvedic products must specify their metallic content directly on the labels of the product.[71] The harmful effects of the samples is attributed in part to the adulterated raw material and lack of workers trained in traditional medicine.[72] In a letter to the Indian Academy of Sciences, director of the Interdisciplinary School of Health Sciences, University of PunePatwardhan Bhushan stated that the metal adulteration is due to contamination and carelessness during the much faster modern manufacturing processes, and does not occur with traditional methods of preparation.[73] Publication of the levels of contamination found in the products has resulted in decline of Ayurveda in India as well as abroad.[72]

>

>

>Being a medical doctor -both me and my wife,who predominately works with south asian Indian population have seen several side effects of Ayurveda medicines/herbal medicines in past several years with some time fatal results.So the notion that ayurvedic medicines have no side effect is completely untrue and a rather dangerous statement to say a least.

>

>you are also confused between herbal source of medicines and ayurveda-while ayurveda is a traditional Indian way of medicines but unfortunately over the period of time due to lake of patronage and proper studies has been limited to tridosa-the wat,cough and pitta without much modern understandings of human body and diseases.in fact all the ayurvedic institutes which proudly produce ayurvedic vaidyas in india-who quickly prefix their names with dr. soon after coming out of these institute;teach allopathic system of pathology and anatomy rather than the old style traditional way!!-and surprisingly these doctors once out also start practising allopathic system for a quick fix.

>

>as for herbal sources they have been used in all forms of traditional medicine for several centuries in different cultures-even in western medicines -for example digoxin is an alkaloid found in fox glove and quinine comes from bark of cinchona.Aspirin the most widely used drug in whole world comes from willow bark and has been used by some tribals for centuries-but then it does not make them ayurvedic medications (these all drugs are active ingredients of these sources and now synthesised artificially rather than from natural sources)-in fact quite often some animals mainly primates eat barks of some tree and some time I wonder they know more than us about ayurveda.

>biggest problem about the the ayurveda is lack of knowledge about the active ingredients in several medications and lack of knowledge how does it work -if it does? and persistent ignorance about the "side effects"

>your comment about curcumin in turmeric is worth mentioning -western researcher are looking into it in a systematic way for last few years and i am proud to say that my university here is currently doing a big research-initial results are favourable and it seems it does prevent colorectal cancer but there is a caveat-initial results show that we need about 100 mgs/day though usual curry contains about 1-2 mgs-so we need loads of turmeric every day-any it is our way of cuisine and as you all will agree nothing to do with ayurveda in general.

>

>modern medicines like allopathic system though not a panacea for all the ailments works around logic and hard core evidence-the data;all the new drugs are researched -have first animal trials and then three phase trials on humans for safety and efficacy-billions of dollars are spent and then only handful of drugs go through the strict safety net-still we see lot of side effects

>unfortunately this tight regulation and heavy expenses also put up the prices of final product which makes these drugs some time out of reach of poor people.

>

>though charak gets mention in our western books(and he was great surgeon) but subsequent lack of development in the area of surgery should be i think final nail in the coffin of Ayurveda.

>unless modern vaidyas in india put their house in order and produce hard core evidence it will be an uphill task for you to convince people like me and several other western and Indian scholars about ayurveda.

>

>rudness in not in my culture and i will leave it to our learned forum members to decide who has been rude all through after a quick glance on all the mails!!

>regards

>ravi

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

>From: sanjupahari

>To: PauriGarhwal@yahoogroups.com

>Sent: Monday, 27 July, 2009 19:49:00

>Subject: Re: [PGG] Ayurveda: an Anecdote or a National Legacy

>

> Â

>Dear group members Namaskar,

>

>Ravi ji, In vein of the same stream I have been thinking over this since you first replied back on this subject. However, didnt want to deviate from the main stream discussion, but your repeated sarcastic statements on Ayurveda followed by Indian Journals had made me introspect a bit in my limited brain boundaries,, ,Â please feel free to correct me whatsoever you find it inappropriate and illogical henceforth .I also feel the discussion was going out of the brook so I changed the subject line with an aim to welcome more precise yet comprehensive approaches in terms of multi-brain involvement and interest.

>

>As the question was raised off the beam, m here with handful references on WELL WRITTEN, RECENTLY published GOOD IMPACT FACTOR-HIGH CITATION and PEERLY REVIWED journals not only to support my previous statement Ayurveda works equally well SOMETIME but also to have vis-a-vis on your curiosity to read concrete and published results and ofcourse to contradict "its waste of time".

>

>Before I begin, I just wish to share something on emotional ground first, please be cautious of condemning ethnic values!!!! having been coevolved with life natural products are billions of years old, in India Ayurveda is suppose to have 3000 years old history....how could it be "WASTE OF TIME". Dear friend I dont know being HINDU how deep you are in to the study, adoption and respect to VEDAS but the verses of Ayurveda are included in ATHARVAVEDA, which simply implies that the Ayurveda is as old as the Vedas. Presently it is in daily use by millions of people in India ,Â Nepal and Sri Lanka ,Â hope not all are WASTING THEIR TIME. On top of it, Unani, Chinese and Tibetan Medicine had been drastically influenced by Ayurveda. Its nothing but our misfortune that Chinese people turned out to be more cleavers and keep patenting the outcomes very fast (Ref: http://www.freshpat ents.com/ Herbal-formulati ons-for-arthriti s-dt20060525ptan 20060110468.

> php).On the other hand our own people with no supportive spirit are just reproving these ancient facts.. The relevance and significance of Ayurveda lies in the fact that tens of thousands of medicines have been produced as secondary metabolites by the higher plants as a natural defense against disease and infection since years.natural surprises are way beyond our heads sometime.any way m leaving this untouched for an instance

>

>Now as the written facts can please you more, I would request you to read this article Curcumin as Curecumin: From kitchen to clinic, where the relevance of HALDI (Curcuma Longa) in curing the cancer is well discussed with clinical proofs. Â Prof. Bharat B. Aggarwal at el. (from Cytokine Research Laboratory, Departments of Experimental Therapeutics, The University of Texas, Houston, TX, United States) in 2007 stated, The Indian system of holistic medicine known as Ayurveda uses plant-based drugs or formulations to treat various ailments includingcancer (I think, cancer is much complicated than KABZ or Constipation :Â ) ). Of the approximately 877 small molecule drugs introduced worldwide between 1981 and 2002, most (61%) can be traced back to their origins in natural products. (Ref: b i o ch e m i c a l pharmacology, 7 5 ( 2 0 0 8 ) 7 8 7 8 0 9.) Â

>

>From your statements, one should have never inferred the things other way around,,,but sorry to say, I did,,,,,being an extravagantly straight towards the ethnic values I find this mail worth sharing my resentment and pain specially when one of our own countrymen reviles the revealed facts of Ayurveda. Frankly speaking, neither you nor any one around the globe, be it FDA or USFDA or anyone else, has any privileges to condemn our ethnic legacy, it includes Ayurveda indeed....the rejection from FDA is thier ill fortune not Ayurvedas'.. . Â So please forgive me as I could not shut my mouth up while reading your sarcastic comments on our ancient asset.not only that, your another sarcastic remark AYURVEDA has only been favorable for KABZ did niothing but further increased my antipathy,,, Dear Dr. plz browse the web more sincerely, precisely and unbiased-ly to know lil more on the contemporary Ayurveda research...things have been altering much

> faster than what one could have ever think of, and more than much-more experimental results have successfully been published around the globe for couple of past decades. I personally believe, Ayurvedic science has already been augmenting to its triumph and after supplementary clinical trials there would eventually be a time soon for the Ayurveda and Herbal medicines to flourish .

>Had everyone synchronized their beliefs your way, probably the term reverse pharmacology would have never evolved and we would have never been able to cure critical disease like cancer using Ayurvedic reverse pharmacology. (Ref: [a] Cho JW, Lee KS, Kim CW. Curcumin attenuates the expression of IL-1beta, IL-6, and TNF-alpha as well as cyclin E in TNF-alpha-treated HaCaT cells; NF-kappaB and MAPKs as potential upstream targets. Int J Mol Med 2007;19:46974 and Â [b] Aggarwal S, Ichikawa H, Takada Y, Sandur SK, Shishodia S, Aggarwal BB. Curcumin (diferuloylmethane) downregulates expression of cell proliferation and antiapoptotic and metastatic gene products through suppression of IkappaBalpha kinase and Akt activation. Mol Pharmacol 2006;69:195206.).

> As far as heavy metals chemistry is concerned, Â its pretty unusual to menot all but a few like aluminum, cadmium, lead and mercury, are found be carcinogenic or hazardousmoreover other viz; arsenic, copper, iron and nickel are thought to be essential for the body at low concentrations.on the other hand, even a little intake of light metal like beryllium could comparatively be more dangerous.Interestingly, it has been known for decades that the selenium (a heavy metal) is vitally protective against mercury and also has a powerful anti-cancer benefit. When the daily intake is 100 microgrammes or more (200 mcg. is better), the risk of cancer from all sources drops dramatically( Ref: Karam El-Bayoumy, The protective role of seleniumon genetic damage and on cancer, Mutation Research/Fundamenta l and Molecular Mechanisms of MutagenesisVolume 475, Issues 1-2, 18 April 2001, Pages 123-139).. So this problem could be concentration and element

> specific but not the molecular weightlist is long...and clinical trials are suppose to be the best ways to unwrap the truth.therein our Ayurveda had taken a long (around 3000 years) on wide range clinical trials revealing many facts open by and large on human and animals of course.

>

>I also feel sorry to say that I have a list of around 654 research papersright on my screen appeared immediately after a SCI-FINDER scan run to study AYURVEDA exclusively on ankylosing spondylitis, rheumatoid spondylitis, Marie-Strumpell diseaseand various forms of Arthritis, unfortunately i can't share them all here on group (because of heavy size). I hope, being in UK based hospital you must possess a better access to majority of the online medical journals, however I still wish to share a little of what I could using my limited privileges., ,please feel free to browse the full papers, I am providing you with the references and abstracts underneath.

>I also wanna rule out your another sarcastic comment EVEN IT IS AN INDIAN JOURNALS that simply implies you concern underestimating our NATIONAL JOURNALS,,,which is totally a BIASED, UNETHICAL and HISHONERABLE statement and even if its true for an instance, I would blame this on DOCTORS and RESEARCHERS like you and me..a talented doctor must think 100 time before publishing his significant research in non-Indian journals but must think 10000 times over and over again before condemning or commenting on national esteem. Â It requires a lot of courage to successfully run and publish a single journal, not only in terms of funds and infrastructure involved but also in collecting a truthful scientific manuscript, unbiased referencing and high brain referees to approve it.and we are not way far-off from any of these.

>

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Probably this wouldnt come as a surprise to you, but being a non medical professional its really hitting eye of the bird for me to thrash out this issue w.r.t. more meaningful technical discussions and conclusion, nevertheless I am amazed to read your statements where you seeking printed evidences for the civic pride, without even doing this by yourself prior to sending in the group so I hereby feel that your statements like Ayurveda is waste of time etc. are totally biased and moreover could itself be considered as self ammusing anecdote but NEVER the AYURVEDA

>

>Here below are some of the abstract and references of a few journals published in last 4-5 years, for your kind feed back....

>1. Ayurvedic medicine and arthritis

>Chopra A, Rheumatic diseases clinics of North America, Volume 26, Issue 1, Pages 133-44,

>Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW), 2000, Reference Number 22, ISSN: 0889-857X, Journal Code: 8708093, United States

>The fundamental principles of Ayurveda are briefly reviewed. Â The ancient classification of arthritis is described along with the comparisons to the modern system. Â Though the diagnosis is historical and clinical, it is based on the tridosha hypothesis. Â The Ayurvedic pathogenesis links arthritis to the gut. Â Management chiefly consists of diet and lifestyle changes, the panchkarma process, and herbal drugs. Â The rasayana concept of immunomodulation is introduced. Â Clinical ethno-validation of the ancient therapy is necessary to meet the modern requirements and set up an interface with modern medicine.

>

>2. Immunomodulatory activity of Semecarpus anacardium extract in mononuclear cells of normal individuals and rheumatoid arthritis patients

>Singh Divya; Aggarwal Amita; Mathias Amrita; Naik Sita, Journal of ethnopharmacology, Volume 108, Issue 3, Pages 398-406 Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); (RESEARCH SUPPORT, NON-U.S. GOV'T), 2006, ISSN: 0378-8741, Journal Code: 7903310, Ireland.

>Semecarpus anacardium (SA) Linn. (family Anacardiaceae) ,Â is a plant well-known for its medicinal value in Ayurveda. Â The nut extracts of this plant have been traditionally used as antihelminthic, anti-fungal, anti-carcinogenic and in the treatment of nervous debilities and arthritis. Â In this study we have evaluated crude ethanolic extract of SA nuts for its anti-inflammatory activities in vitro using peripheral blood and synovial fluid mononuclear cells of healthy individuals and rheumatoid arthritis (RA) patients. Â SA extract inhibited the spontaneous and LPS induced production of proinflammatory cytokines IL-1beta and IL-12p40 but had no effect on TNF-alpha and IL-6 production, both at protein and mRNA level. Â The crude extract also suppressed LPS induced nuclear translocation of transcription factors, NF-kappaB and AP-1; the inhibition of NF-kappaB was through the inhibition of IkappaBalpha phosphorylation. Â The extract also
suppressed LPS

> activated nitric oxide production in mouse macrophage cell line, RAW 264.7. Â Our results for the first time show that SA extract can inhibit proinflammatory cytokine production and demonstrate its mechanism of action.

>

>3. Antioxidant approach to disease management and the role of 'Rasayana' herbs of Ayurveda

>Govindarajan R; Vijayakumar M; Pushpangadan P ,Â Journal of ethnopharmacology, Volume 99, Issue 2, Pages 165-78, Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW) 2005, Reference Number 112, ISSN: 0378-8741, Journal Code: 7903310, Ireland.

>The disease preventive and health promotive approach of 'Ayurveda', which takes into consideration the whole body, mind and spirit while dealing with the maintenance of health, promotion of health and treating ailments is holistic and finds increasing acceptability in many regions of the world. Â Ancient Ayurvedic physicians had developed certain dietary and therapeutic measures to arrest/delay ageing and rejuvenating whole functional dynamics of the body system. Â This revitalization and rejuvenation is known as the 'Rasayan chikitsa' (rejuvenation therapy). Â Traditionally, Rasayana drugs are used against a plethora of seemingly diverse disorders with no pathophysiological connections according to modern medicine. Â Though, this group of plants generally possesses strong antioxidant activity, only a few have been investigated in detail. Â Over about 100 disorders like rheumatoid arthritis, hemorrhagic shock, CVS disorders, cystic fibrosis,
metabolic

> disorders, neurodegenerative diseases, gastrointestinal ulcerogenesis and AIDS have been reported as reactive oxygen species mediated. Â In this review, the role of free radicals in these diseases has been briefly reviewed. 'Rasayana' plants with potent antioxidant activity have been reviewed for their traditional uses, and mechanism of antioxidant action. Â Fifteen such plants have been dealt with in detail and some more plants with less work have also been reviewed briefly.

>

>4. Ayurvedic medicine. Core concept, therapeutic principles, and current relevance

>Chopra Arvind; Doiphode Vijay V, The Medical clinics of North America, Volume 86, Issue 1, Pages 75-89, vii Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW), 2002, Reference Number 37, ISSN: 0025-7125, Journal Code: 2985236R, United States

>In the prebiblical Ayurvedic origins, every creation inclusive of a human being is a model of the universe. Â In this model, the basic matter and the dynamic forces (Dosha) of the nature determine health and disease, and the medicinal value of any substance (plant and mineral). Â The Ayurvedic practices (chiefly that of diet, life style, and the Panchkarama) aim to maintain the Dosha equilibrium. Â Despite a holistic approach aimed to cure disease, therapy is customized to the individual's constitution (Prakruti). Â Numerous Ayurvedic medicines (plant derived in particular) have been tested for their biological (especially immunomodulation) and clinical potential using modern ethnovalidation, and thereby setting an interface with modern medicine. Â To understand Ayurvedic medicine, it would be necessary to first understand the origin, basic concept and principles of Ayurveda.

>

>5 . Traditional Indian systems of medicine

>Lodha R; Bagga A ,Â Annals of the Academy of Medicine, Singapore, Volume 29, Issue 1, Pages 37-41, Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE); General Review; (REVIEW), 2000, Reference Number 52, ISSN: 0304-4602, Journal Code: 7503289, Singapore

>INTRODUCTION: A number of traditional systems of medicine exist in India of which Ayurveda is the most popular. Â Despite being in use for more than 3000 years, few properly designed trials have scientifically examined the clinical potential of Ayurvedic and other medications. Â METHODS: We reviewed the MEDLINE database to identify clinical trials conducted using traditional Indian medicines. Â Single case reports were excluded. Â RESULTS: Ayurvedic preparations have been successfully used for the treatment of bronchial asthma, ischaemic heart disease and hyperlipidaemia. Â Formulations containing curcumin were reported to reduce inflammation and disability in double-blind clinical trials on patients with rheumatoid arthritis. Â A number of products are reported to be useful in patients with acute viral hepatitis. Â A multicentric study by the Indian Council of Medical Research showed that a preparation from Pterocarpus marsupium was
effective in

> reducing levels of blood glucose and glycosylated haemoglobin in patients with non-insulin- dependent diabetes mellitus. Â In another multicentric trial, patients with fistula-in-ano were randomised to surgery or application of medicated seton (Ksharsootra) . Â Surgical treatment led to a faster cure but recurrence rates were lower with medicated seton. Â Administration of extract from Bacopa monnieri, to children with mental retardation, was reported to significantly improve short-term and long-term memory. Â

>

>

>6. Withaferin A is a potent inhibitor of angiogenesis

>Mohan, Royce; Hammers, Hans; Bargagna-mohan, Paola; Zhan, Xiaoguo; Herbstritt, Christopher; Ruiz, Antonio; Zhang, Li; Hanson, Art; Conner, Barry; Rougas, John; Pribluda, Victor

>The medicinal plant Withania somnifera is widely researched for its anti-inflammatory, cardioactive and central nervous system effects. Â In Ayurveda, the major Traditional Indian medicine system, exts. from W. somnifera are distinctively employed for the treatment of arthritis and menstrual disorders. Â Because these conditions involve angiogenic processes we hypothesized that the W. somnifera exts. might contain angiogenesis inhibitors. Â We employed an endothelial cell-sprouting assay to monitor the purifn. of substances from W. somnifera root exts. and isolated as the active principle the previously known natural product withaferin A. We show that withaferin A inhibits human umbilical vein endothelial cell (HUVEC) sprouting in three-dimensional collagen-I matrix at doses which are relevant to NF-kappa B-inhibitory activity. Â Withaferin A inhibits cell proliferation in HUVECs (IC50=12 nM) at doses that are significantly lower than those
required for

> tumor cell lines through a process assocd. with inhibition of cyclin D1 expression. Â We propose that the inhibition of NF-kappa B by withaferin A in HUVECs occurs by interference with the ubiquitin-mediated proteasome pathway as suggested by the increased levels of poly-ubiquitinated proteins. Â Finally, withaferin A is shown to exert potent anti-angiogenic activity in vivo at doses that are 500-fold lower than those previously reported to exert anti-tumor activity in vivo. Â In conclusion, our findings identify a novel mode of action of withaferin A, which highlights the potential use of this natural product for cancer treatment or prevention.

>7. Shilajit: an amazing rejuvenator and anti-aging drug

>

>By Chaturvedi, S. P.; Korde, Bhushan K.; Kumar, Vimal, From Pharma, Review (2007), Â 5(30), 101-104. Â Language: English, Database: CAPLUS. Â

>In Sanskrit the literal meaning of Shilajit is "Rock Like" - the power to make our body like a rock, it has unmatched powers of arresting and reversing the aging process. Â In Ayurveda, Shilajit is one of most potent and unique rejuvenators and conqueror of mountains and destroyer of weakness. Â Shilajit has been used historically for general phys. strengthening, anti-aging, blood sugar stabilization, libido, injury healing, urinary tract rejuvenation, enhanced brain functioning potency, bone healing, kidney rejuvenation, immune system strengthening, arthritis, hypertension, obesity.

>

>Sorry If I sound rude at places....i apologize for any unethical, wrong or incomplete statements I have brought up here. Dear Dr. I personally respect your profession and no where by any mean I challenge your qualifications, expertise and eligibility to discuss on Ayurveda.please take my views with positive spirit and discuss openly henceforth. and I am not personally intended in hurting anyone's personal dignity hope you would understand my perspective as I respect and favor all short of different remedies and solutions available worldwide to cure life threatening syndromes,. Thanking you all with a hope, whoever is reading this would not get hurt by any unknown uncouth words used to support my personal opinion. Finally, I am ready to press the full stop here :Â ) .

>

>

>Best Wishes and Regards

>

>Tumar Dagaru

>

>Sanjupahari

>

>

>SANJUPAHARI >> A THETH PAHARI GUY >>>>>>> Â

>JAI PAHAD > > > JAI GOLU < < < JAI BADRIVISHAL

>

>--- On Wed, 7/22/09, praful negi wrote:

>

>

>>From: praful negi

>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!! [1 Attachment]

>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com

>>Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 11:13 AM

>>

>>

>> Â

>>PLEASE CHECK THE PPT ..........ITS INSPIRING... ....

>>

>>

>>On 7/22/09, r joshi wrote:

>> Â

>>>deep

>>>i don't know what your qualifications are to call my statements immature!!(may be you are an authority in Ayurveda)

>>>working for health services as medical consultant in an hospital in England the only thing which will impress me about the Ayurveda is the evidence-not the anecdotes

>>>i would be grateful if you could provide me with the evidence in a leading journal about Ayurveda in ankolysing spondilits (even if it is an Indian journal)

>>>i bet even this condition is not known in Ayurveda and classified under common back problems!!

>>>not that i am anti -Ayurveda-it Â works Â in constipation, but rest of the major conditions it is waste of time!! Â

>>> ravi

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>________________________________

>From: deep uprety

>>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com

>>>Sent: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 5:40:41

>>>

>>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!

>>>

>>>

>>> Â

>>>Namaskar

>>>I had been thinking to write some comments on this topic In this regard. I wish to say that we have not actually tried to actually understand what kind of help is sought by Mr Rawat, in spite of this we have started condemning Ayurvedic System of Medicine ,Â which had matured itself with time. Problem of heavy metals may be due to poor quality control as happened in case of Basmati Patent and unrestricted unchecked exports or it may be a propaganda of American FDA with a fear that if Ayurvedic Medicines of proper quality is manufactured in USA english system will be washed off. Vision of Dr Ravi seems to be immature and biased because he never tried or studied Ayurvedic. There is no end to unwanted discussions but the Best thing is to find way how we can help Mr Rawat. I would appreciate if we discuss this in future and mobilise help actually sought by him.

>>>Thanks

>>>Deep Uprety

>>>Pune

>>>

>>>--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Anita Dubey wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>From: Anita Dubey

>>>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!

>>>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com

>>>>Date: Tuesday, 21 July, 2009, 11:58 PM

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Â

>>>>Hello Nitin,

>>>>After reading your last email, I was disappointed to see a loser's attitude in you despite the fact that you have graduated from such a fine institute.

>>>>It does not matter that you missed out on your GRE & TOEFL tests for this year. You can always take them now or whenever it can be taken in India.

>>>>>If I were you I would take it as an opportunity to do better in tests and afterwards take up some temporary job in order to have some funds available for immediate expenses for your travel to a US university since it will take two or so weeks time before you start getting your scholarship money. Donot worry it is not like in India where things get unnecessarily delayed. Here if somebody promises you that it'll take two weeks for your job to be taken care of then it will be done in less than two weeks.

>>>>>So get started and take GRE and TOEFL for your bright future and offcourse for your health as well.

>>>>>You were mentioning that you cannot swim in India due to the fear of infection but here you can swim in any swimming pool in any part of city and you will never have any problems. I was surprised to hear that a populated city like Delhi has water for the swimming pool when citizens are facing huge scarcity of potable water.

>>>>>Anyways you will do a big favor to yourself and your family if you go for masters in US, especially when you know that chances of you getting admission here with full scholarship are almost 100%.

>>>>>So take the big step if you really want to do your PARENTS proud, who toiled hard to make sure that your education was taken care of in the best possible way.

>>>>>I THINK THIS MUCH YOU OWE IT TO THEM TO MUCH MORE AHEAD IN YOUR LIFE AND GIVE A BOOST TO YOUR NEXT GENERATION AND YOUR FAMILY STATUS.

>>>>>May the goodness prevail upon you,

>>>>>Anita dubey

>>>>>

>>>>>Anita Dubey

>>>>>

>>>>>--- On Tue, 7/14/09, r joshi wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>From: r joshi

>>>>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!

>>>>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com

>>>>>Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 5:16 AM

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>i will still disagree

>>>>>ayurvedic medications the way they are made now,contain heavy metals

>>>>>and several have been banned in US by FDA

>>>>>so always be careful-the biggest problem is you do not know what you are taking

>>>>>as there is no chemical analysis of these medications and there are no studies regarding side effects

>>>>>working in united kingdom as a doctor i often see Indian patients having problems/side effects after taking these medications

>>>>>so i will disagree that these medications dont have side effects-after all plants contain chemicals-datura one of the plant commonly used in some of the traditional medications has atropine,fox glove was widely used rather unsafely for heart failure as it contains digoxine which when used in higher dose can kill you!!

>>>>>regards

>>>>>ravi

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>________________________________

>From: sanjupahari

>>>>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com

>>>>>Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 15:28:26

>>>>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>Oppss...seems i was in a different world, sorry Nitin, it was for you...by mistake I addressed you as Ravi, don't mind please.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>Regards and Best Wishes

>>>>>Sanjupahari

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Â

>>>>>SANJUPAHARI >> A THETH PAHARI GUY >>>>>>> Â

>>>>>JAI PAHAD > > > JAI GOLU < < < JAI BADRIVISHAL

>>>>>

>>>>>--- On Fri, 7/10/09, sanjupahari wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>From: sanjupahari

>>>>>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!

>>>>>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com

>>>>>>Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 10:18 AM

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>HI Ravi ,Â

>>>>>>Hope you doing great out there, m here to add a little on what Anita Ji already said. I would also strongly suggest you to go for the higher studies; you would have a better opportunity in terms of not only to sharpen your expertise Â and ability to grow in ME but at the same time a better treatment alternative for your spinal problem.

>>>>>>Sorry to contradict on, but Ayurvedic medicines work equally well sometime, moreover there isn't any side effect involved so hope is always on!!!!!. However light yoga, swimming etc along with what Anita ji already suggested are equally good..nonetheless going for a better treatment Â in the hands of real experts should be the best opinion indeed. Â

>>>>>> Â I myself is an IITD alumni and presently working in New York . I would be more than happy if anything can be done from my end. Â

>>>>>> Â Just to add a little more at the end, you had graduated from an institute where it should be rare that someone suggest or recommend you on these decisive matters, specially the career front,,,we are here just to shade some light on a few possibilities that could be floating around to match your interest, so please don't take these as granted, you are among the best product of our country do what you feel is the bestest :) ,Â but we are always here to join hands in more realistic ways. Â

>>>>>>Please, do let me know if you still wanna work within India (its always proud indeed), I might have a few recommendations for you.

>>>>>> Â

>>>>>> Â

>>>>>>Tumar Dagaru

>>>>>>Sanjupahari

>>>>>> Â

>>>>>>Dr. Shailesh Upreti

>>>>>>Binghamton, New York

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Â

>>>>>>SANJUPAHARI >> A THETH PAHARI GUY >>>>>>> Â

>>>>>>JAI PAHAD > > > JAI GOLU < < < JAI BADRIVISHAL

>>>>>>

>>>>>>--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Anita Dubey wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>From: Anita Dubey

>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!

>>>>>>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com

>>>>>>>Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 2:29 AM

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>I was also wondering how can so called Ayurvedic medicine help take care of your spondylitis. Your prognosis should involve simple nonsteroidal pain killers and supervised excercises like swimming and other yoga excercises which avoid Â jarring impact of the spine.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Anita Dubey

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>--- On Thu, 7/9/09, r joshi wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>From: r joshi

>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!

>>>>>>>>To: PauriGarhwal@ yahoogroups. com

>>>>>>>>Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 5:56 AM

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>i would sugget you to see a good rhuematologist

>>>>>>>>as being a doctor myself i think ayrvedic medications are waste of time

>>>>>>>> ravi

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>________________________________

>From: Nitin Rawat

>>>>>>>>To: paurigarhwal@ yahoogroups. com

>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, 9 July, 2009 9:15:02

>>>>>>>>Subject: [PGG] IIT Delhi guy again asking for a favour from Group members..!!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Hi,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>I must tell why I have not taken any jobs till now despite of my degree from IIT.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Probably the main factor is the ailment that I have been suffering

>>>>>>>>from, ankylosing spondylitis. It is a kind of arthiritis of

>>>>>>>>spine.Since last 8 months this ailment has been affecting my quality

>>>>>>>>of life. It is still in in its early stage and I am taking ayurvedic

>>>>>>>>medicines to bring it under control.So nothing serious to worry about.

>>>>>>>>But my body language has become similar to that of my 70 year old

>>>>>>>>grandma.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>So I thought I must wait for sometime till the ailment is cured completly because recruiters, at the time of interview, maybe become

>>>>>>>>skeptical about my ability to cope up with whatever work they would

>>>>>>>>throw at me.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>So, if anyone has any suggestions/ advice regarding what kind of job I

>>>>>>>>should look for or anything regarding my ailment, they are welcome.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Always a fighter.

>>>>>>>>--

>>>>>>>>Nitin Rawat

>>>>>>>>Indian Institute of Technology Delhi

>>>>>>>>Mechanical Engg.

>>>>>>>>Contact No. - 9868270602

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>PS:

>>>>>>>>I am also enclosing herewith my detailed resume for your reference.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Â

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Â

>>>> Â

>>>

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12a.: Re: searching a brahamin garhwali groom

Posted by: "ram prasad" tnordramprasad@yahoo.co.in tnordramprasad

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:49 pm (PDT)

We find the   girl suitable for my nephew who is simple, soft spoken with pleasant personality. His interests include computer exploration, reading, creative writing, listening to music. He believes in traditional family values with respect to elders

Born and brought up in Delhi he has done MBBS from Delhi University. Done MD in Community Medicine from Delhi University. Presently doing Senior Residency in a Delhi Hospital-Medical College Rahul Sharma.
Family consist of 5 members, Father-Class I Officer in central Govt , Mother-In central Govt. service, Younger brother in private service and Grand mother. Caste-Kandwal, Mother's caste- Pokhriyal, Grand mother's caste Naithani.
Other necessary information about him is follows
Personal Details:
Name-: Rahul Sharma
Height-: 5.9 feet
Date of birth -: 1980-02-07
Place of birth -: Delhi
Time of birth -: 13:20:00 : No Manglik status
Native place -: Patti Udaypur (Current location -: Delhi)
District-: Pauri Garhwal
If interested you may contact Mrs Dhyani on telephone Nos
30284920 and 22714920
Ram Prasad

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From: pali naithani <palinaithani@gmail.com>
To: PauriGarhwal@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 28 July, 2009 4:23:05 PM
Subject: [PGG] searching a brahamin garhwali groom

Namaskar
All of u. pg group members.

we are searching a brahamin garhwali groom for my daughter
if any body find sutable please mail me or contact me. in this no. 09818762608 or 01202777652

her detail is here under.

Cast                   Thapliyal
Height                 5.4fit
Body type           Slim
Education            B.Com+MBA from NIT
Job description     Assistant Manager in ididi bank (Govt undertaking)
D.O.B                  october 1984
Mother cast          Naithani
Nani Cast             barthwal
Dadi cast              bhatt
siblingi                 one elder brother working with financial expressas aBusiness Reporter
aboute her self-: she is sincere, soft spoken good looking girl
aboute family-: Father in Govt job (CDS Depatement )
With Regards

Harish Thapliyal

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12b.: searching a brahamin garhwali groom

Posted by: "pali naithani" palinaithani@gmail.com

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:51 pm (PDT)

Namaskar
All of u. pg group members.
we are searching a brahamin garhwali groom for my daughter
if any body find sutable please mail me on aseemthapliyal2000@gmail.com or
contact me. in this
no. *+919958417792*
her detail is here under.
Cast Thapliyal
Height 5.4fit
Body type Slim
Education *B.Com*+*MBA in Finance *From* NIT Kurukshetra*
Job description *Assistant Manager* in *IDBI Bank* (Govt undertaking)
D.O.B october 1984
Mother cast Naithani
Nani Cast barthwal
Dadi cast bhatt
siblingi one elder brother working with *Financial express*as a
*Business Reporter
*aboute her self-: she is sincere, soft spoken good looking girl
aboute family-: Father in Govt job as a *Account officer* (CDA Department)

With Regards
Harish Thapliyal

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13.: Plot for Sale in Dehradun

Posted by: "bharat_sajwan" bharat_sajwan@yahoo.com bharat_sajwan

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:50 pm (PDT)

Friends!
We have a plot 0.5 biswa (nearly 250 sq yards) in Nathanpur. It's a cornar plot, three side open, 200 mtr from Dehradun-Rishikesh road. Buyers please contact at 9810294298.

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14.: Looking for a job in Hotel Industry

Posted by: "Bhupendra Rawat" mr_intellect1982@yahoo.co.in

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:51 pm (PDT)

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Hi All,

My younger has just completed his course in B.S.C in Hotel Management... Now he is looking for a Job in any 5 star Hotels...

Would Appreciate if anyone can provide any kind of reference....PFA his resu

Thanx..

Bhupendra Rawat

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15.: UTTARAYANI MAGAZINE

Posted by: "Prabhati Nautiyal" drnautiyaliift@yahoo.co.in

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:52 pm (PDT)

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Dear Members;
I have received some requests from our members for making a copy of 'Uttarayani' available to them as they could not attend the release function of the magazine. I am, therefore, attaching the soft copy of the magazine for everybody's benefit.

- Dr. Prabhati Nautiyal

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16.: Request to find out suitable job to Laxmi

Posted by: "dhirender rawat" dhirenderrawat@yahoo.com dhirenderrawat

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:52 pm (PDT)

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Hello Vivek and all fellow friends,

Trust you all are doing well. I am enclosing the Resume of Laxmi Doundhiyal with request to help her to find out suitable job. Laxmi has done ITI Diploma in Cutting & Sewing along with couple of progressive course in Fashion Dress Designing from different institutes. If any group members have any vacancy in his/her knowledge according to Laxmi´s profile kindly do contact her on phone no. given in the resume or contact Mr. Dwarika Doundhiyal on his Mob. 9910269021. Mr. Doundhiyal is also a senior member of PG Group.

Best Regards,

Dhirendar Singh Rawat
New Delhi
9711757465

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17.: Requirement of a person

Posted by: "Pramod Thapliyal" pramodthap@gmail.com

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:53 pm (PDT)

Dear All,
We require a person who is in need of a job.

Anyone willing to live at the premises in Bawana (north west Delhi) as
security may please contact me at 9910496313 before satureday. more details
by telephone.

Rgds

Pramod Thapliyal
# 9910496313

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18.: did u know.......

Posted by: "Rajendra singh" raj_ua2005@yahoo.co.in raj_ua2005

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:53 pm (PDT)

Did you know that on August 7, 2009

At 12hr 34 minutes and 56 seconds the time and date will be

12:34:56 07/08/09

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

This will never happen in our life again??!!!!

Amaze your friends..... be the first to tell them.

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19.: Require help for JOb in IT networking.. Pl. help

Posted by: "ASHOK RAWAT" ashokrawat@yahoo.com ashokrawat

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:54 pm (PDT)

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Hi,

My cousin bros is in seach of job in IT sector in networking. Pl. find his resume for yr ready reference.. He is having work experience also and has left job for his further education. Presently he is in seach of job pl. help.

He is Seeking positions in System Administration / Network Administration / / Technical Support with technology-driven organization

Warm Regards
Ashok Rawat

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20a.: Re: Urgently required 1 BHK on rent

Posted by: "N Bisht" bisht@asia.com

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:54 pm (PDT)

HI I NEED 1 ROOM set NEAR BY AMITY UNIVERSITY NOIDA SEC 125. PLZ HELP
CHEEP & BEST For FAMILY PURPOSE
N BISHT

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Subject: [PGG] Urgently required 1 BHK on rent
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:00:35 +0530 (IST)

Dear Group Members,
I need 1BHK or 2 room set in south delhi on rent. Can somebody help
me out.
My budget is 5-6k PM.
thanks
Deepak

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21.

Mr.Mohan P. Kala one of the biggest businessman from uttarakhand

Posted by: "Rajneesh Agnihotri" rajneesh_jmd1@yahoo.com rajneesh_jmd1

Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:55 pm (PDT)

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Mr. Mohan P. Kala one of the biggest businessman from uttarakhand,
an Amazing man and an another reason to be proud of our community.

Mr.Kala
is an Executive Director of Sharon Bio-Medical originally hales from
Uttarakhand Sumari village. "A man who has a dream to convert
Uttarakhand to Switzerland"

Q. How do you recollect the memories of your childhood in uttarakhand?
(Especially the Sumadi Village in uttarakhand do you still visit there)

My
memories of my childhood at my Village Sumari, Pauri Garhwal are
remarkable. In my memories, I still enjoy those days when I was not
having good food, no good clothes and no good education but
nevertheless full MASTI whole day with my friends. I go to my village
3-4 times in a year and do whatever I can do to my village people. On
1st and 2nd August,2009, I am going to my native place where I am
contributing for the English School for my village children for the
last 5 years. I have also done other things for my village people like
contributing for the poor families in their family functions, making
temples in my village and nearby villages etc. I am planning to make an
English school building, Baraat ghar and guest houses for the people
who want to come to my village Sumari. For that matter I have bought an
old house and I will be making a new building on the same place.

Q. From where did you complete your education?
I
studied up to 8th standard in my village school Sumari than up to 12th
standard in Srinagar Garhwal College ( for 5 years daily I used to
travel to 7 KM to Srinagar and back), up to Post graduation from
Dehradun in Economics and than C.A. from Mumbai.

Q Whom do you draw your inspiration?

My mother

Q What made you choose Pharmaceutical Industry?

My clients when I was doing my C.A. and thereafter at the time of practice.

Q How do you see the biotech sector growing?

Indian
Pharma/ Biotech is the future of world and India will dominate in
future. This business is growing rapidly and India will be World
Leader.

QHave you ever been failed in your life in anything?

Yes
I failed when I was in 8th and 10th standard and lost money app. Rs.10
Crores of my company in 2008-09 because of my wrong decisions when I
dealt with Foreign Exchange Derivatives. But that´s Business after all.

QWhat´s your secret mantra for success?
Hard work in right direction and have patience.

Q Having achieved a great deal of success in your life, how would you
Like to contribute to the society, especially Uttarakhand?

I
wish I could earn/get money from the whole world and invest/ spend in
hills/ villages of Uttarakhand for the benefit of my own people/
society. I have few plans for the development of Hills of Uttarakhand
which I can not narrate you today. I wish I could convert Uttarakhand
to Switzerland.

Q The best thing you like about uttarakhand?
Its simple people and beautiful places.

QI have heard you planning a set up in uttarakhand, Do u like to say
Something on that?

Yes
I want to make big Investments in Uttarakhand and contribute directly
and indirectly in the up gradation of its economy and people

QWhat are your views on uttarakhand government, do they provide full support to the new business venture?
All
the Govts. till date are very friendly and cooperative specially with
the people originally from Uttarakhand and who want to do developments
in Uttarakhand.

Q What are your future plans?
To set up a business centre in Dehradun and than do investments in the hills very soon.

QDo you have any plan´s to employ uttarakhandi´s people.
At
present we are having 5 phama Manufaturing plants (4 in Mumbai and one
in Dehradun) and employ almost 60 to 70 % people from Uttarakhand. But
once things are set in hills of Uttarakhand, automatically more
Uttarakhandi will get employed.

Q Your message for the young talent?

Work hard in right direction and have patience

Mail ur views to mr. kala at immpkala@gmail.com
http://www.sharonbio.com/
Interview By: Rajneesh Agnihotri

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